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The keyboard/trackpad combination of the last decade of Macbooks (Air/Pro) were basically perfect. I like the OS, and I've never found a PC laptop to come remot
by mypalmike 9y ago
The keyboard/trackpad combination of the last decade of Macbooks (Air/Pro) were basically perfect. I like the OS, and I've never found a PC laptop to come remotely close to the sweet ergonomics of those Macbooks.
And then I got a 2017 Macbook Pro at my new job. Never mind that the keys are reported to stick (mine haven't yet), it just feels terrible. Virtually zero throw in the switch. And a personal pet peeve, they made the same mistake Microsoft did with their ergo keyboard for 1 sad iteration (before they fixed it in later models) - they changed the arrow keys from the standard upside-down T layout to a diamond layout. Those designers at Apple wanted symmetry so they made it happen. Too bad it kills the ergonomics.
But the trackpad is where it really goes downhill. It's physically huge for no good reason. Worse (and the reason I'm seriously looking to see if I can swap it for an older model), it routinely (like 20% of the time) mistakes 1- and 2-finger clicks for each other. I never know which it's going to do. I never experienced this at all with any of my older Macbook Pros and Macbook Airs. Good luck giving a presentation - you're awkwardly fumbling with context menus when you don't want them, etc... audience will think you've never used a computer before. And yes, I've disabled all the stupid gesture stuff because it was even worse before I did so.
The "only 2 USB C ports and a headphone jack" is the icing on the cake. I could live with it if it were the only issue, but it just annoys me that I need to bring a docking station with me to stay plugged in while presenting and using any usb peripheral. What's the benefit here - maybe 1/2 mm thinner?
- simonebrunozzi 9y ago100% seconded on everything you said. Same issues with me. Same thinking. Same complaining. I wish they will fix at least the keyboard issues in the 2018 models. Damn Apple.
- spockz 9y agoI second you on the keyboard issues but I haven’t had any issues with the trackpad. Actually, for me it is nice that is large and it has always been precise.
- shaklee3 9y agoI've seen this sentiment echoed over and over on here. I'm always wondering why people continue to order Macs. It's very rare that I see positive comments about the touchbar. The reason can't be because macos is better, since there are tons of complaints on here about that too. The hardware is definitely not the best anymore. So why are people still buying them?
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- headsoup 9y agoProbably much the same reason people continue to buy Windows: the software that is not supported on other platforms (or is used company/team wide).
- bsder 9y agoBecause the 2015 Macbook Pro Retina's were pretty damn good relative to basically anything else at the time but were in dire need of a refresh. Everybody assumed that the refresh would take a winning formula and adjust it a little bit. Nobody assumed that Apple would completely screw up the keyboard, hose things with the touch bar, abuse people by only having USB-C ports, kill the MagSafe power, and still not offer modern processor and memory specs. Everybody then assumed that when all these problems came out, Apple would own up and make it right. The fact that Apple is NOT doing that is finally pissing people off.
- peteretep 9y ago> The reason can't be because macos is better, since there are tons of complaints on here about that too. That ... doesn't follow. It's OS X that I buy Macs for. I have a very small number of complaints about it, but many more about every other OS I've ever used. Like mutt: it sucks less. Also: I loved my previous Mac devices. I don't love my recent MacBook Pro. But the next Mac I buy in a few years time, they'll probably have fixed it up by then. Switching to a whole new ecosystem for the interim strikes me as crazy.
- kbenson 9y ago> I like the OS, and I've never found a PC laptop to come remotely close to the sweet ergonomics of those Macbooks. So, an interesting takedown[1] of Apple engineering was posted on /r/videos yesterday. I can't speak to the veracity, but there's some interesting claims there that if true would make me think twice before buying an Apple Laptop (specifically because of very long-standing issues and warranty shenanigans). There's a segment on the keyboard towards the second half as well. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8
- sneak 9y agomy dream laptop: a retina mbair with magsafe, 2x normal usb3, a single usb-c, and 32gb of ram. are you listening, apple?