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> But the cops were wrong for the same things that cops are _ALWAYS_ wrong for. They're control freaks, they're selfish and self-centered, they diminish other p

by jlg23 9y ago

> But the cops were wrong for the same things that cops are _ALWAYS_ wrong for. They're control freaks, they're selfish and self-centered, they diminish other people to empower themselves. The quoted obscenity in the headline is a response to the officer saying "You make take them now", is it any surprise this set her off? Yes, there are idiots who, when given a uniform are "hard" to deal with... But in this situation (all over, she is there basically as a taxi driver) I can only say that I would have been much more blunt with her. You say they are there to "serve us" and I actually mean that: The "us" is better served if they don't engage in pointless discussions but do their actual job instead. > He's just some nobody making $25k/yr He might be making only 25k but he is also making a difference. Do you?

tnegoshi 9y ago
Not sure where GP got that 25K figure from but this is a trivial lookup: https://www.policeapp.com/Entry-Level-Tenafly-NJ-Police-Officer-Jobs/313/ https://www.policeapp.com/Entry-Level-Tenafly-NJ-Police-Offi... > Department: Tenafly Police Department > Type: Entry Level > Job Title: Entry Level Police Officer > Salary: $44,500-$125,000 > Location: Tenafly, NJ
- originalsimba 9y ago
  my info on cop salaries is heresay and like 20 years old, sorry I did not adjust for inflation. The point I was making is that police are underpaid, which accurately represents the investment the public is willing to make toward their service. It's shows how much value the public thinks there is in the work that police do. Which means people don't think cops are serving them properly, if that wasn't obvious. As full time salaries go they are on the lower end of the scale. The actual number is sort of irrelevant.
originalsimba 9y ago
> He might be making only 25k but he is also making a difference. Do you? Everyone makes a difference. Is the difference positive or negative? His impact on the world is negative. Since you asked, mine is positive. I volunteer to charities and I provide business class high tech services at fractions of the prices of the competition because they're ripping small businesses off and I am attacking them directly. I would be willing to bet my contributions to the world are more positive and far reaching than any cop anywhere in the world, no matter how great they are (and most are not), in fact. So I feel completely justified and within my rights to judge his behavior in the execution of his duties as a public servant.
- jlg23 9y ago
  > I volunteer to charities and I provide business class high tech services at fractions of the prices of the competition because they're ripping small businesses off and I am attacking them directly. I would be willing to bet my contributions to the world are more positive and far reaching than any cop anywhere in the world, no matter how great they are (and most are not), in fact. I too work for charities, but that does not entitle me to look down on people who make less than I do (monetarily). You of course have the right to judge behaviour as you see fit. But I also have that right and I exercise it by openly stating that I think your comment is demeaning.
  - originalsimba 9y ago
    It's not about the money, I think you didn't understand my point in raising that particular detail. And it's not about looking down on the dude as a person, it's about maintaining a strict scrutiny of every single person who volunteers to execute and apprehend bad people for the benefit of our society. It is important to remember, that is what Police's actual job is. Traffic stops are a revenue generator for local jurisdictions and represent the most reprehensible aspect of their daily jobs. Their real duty is to kill people for us so we don't have to, or when possible lock them up forever. I'm not expressing approval of the system, I'm just making sure you understand exactly what it actually is. So how does that apply to this story? Well the cop is exercising a whole lot of personal bias and judgement and discretionary decision making which _he is not authorized to exercise_. If cops were supposed to use those kinds of skills they'd earn a lot more than the tiny salaries they get, and they would be chosen from the best and brightest, but in fact police departments will refuse to hire you if you're too intelligent because they're afraid intelligence leads to corrupt cops. So you see, they don't get to be discretionary. They follow a script, they perform their duties in a way that shines like well polished boots, they collect their pensions and retire. Period. The behavior in the video is the behavior of a bad cop. It's a sociopath who knows how to push people's buttons while appearing to be controlled and calm. That's a bad cop, and it's important that we never let those people get away with their sociopathic behavior because it poisons our culture. Giving a sociopath a gun and the authority and responsibility of killing people for you is a recipe for disaster.

by jlg23 9y ago

tnegoshi 9y ago

Not sure where GP got that 25K figure from but this is a trivial lookup: https://www.policeapp.com/Entry-Level-Tenafly-NJ-Police-Officer-Jobs/313/ https://www.policeapp.com/Entry-Level-Tenafly-NJ-Police-Offi... > Department: Tenafly Police Department > Type: Entry Level > Job Title: Entry Level Police Officer > Salary: $44,500-$125,000 > Location: Tenafly, NJ

originalsimba 9y ago
my info on cop salaries is heresay and like 20 years old, sorry I did not adjust for inflation. The point I was making is that police are underpaid, which accurately represents the investment the public is willing to make toward their service. It's shows how much value the public thinks there is in the work that police do. Which means people don't think cops are serving them properly, if that wasn't obvious. As full time salaries go they are on the lower end of the scale. The actual number is sort of irrelevant.

originalsimba 9y ago

> He might be making only 25k but he is also making a difference. Do you? Everyone makes a difference. Is the difference positive or negative? His impact on the world is negative. Since you asked, mine is positive. I volunteer to charities and I provide business class high tech services at fractions of the prices of the competition because they're ripping small businesses off and I am attacking them directly. I would be willing to bet my contributions to the world are more positive and far reaching than any cop anywhere in the world, no matter how great they are (and most are not), in fact. So I feel completely justified and within my rights to judge his behavior in the execution of his duties as a public servant.

jlg23 9y ago
> I volunteer to charities and I provide business class high tech services at fractions of the prices of the competition because they're ripping small businesses off and I am attacking them directly. I would be willing to bet my contributions to the world are more positive and far reaching than any cop anywhere in the world, no matter how great they are (and most are not), in fact. I too work for charities, but that does not entitle me to look down on people who make less than I do (monetarily). You of course have the right to judge behaviour as you see fit. But I also have that right and I exercise it by openly stating that I think your comment is demeaning.
- originalsimba 9y ago
  It's not about the money, I think you didn't understand my point in raising that particular detail. And it's not about looking down on the dude as a person, it's about maintaining a strict scrutiny of every single person who volunteers to execute and apprehend bad people for the benefit of our society. It is important to remember, that is what Police's actual job is. Traffic stops are a revenue generator for local jurisdictions and represent the most reprehensible aspect of their daily jobs. Their real duty is to kill people for us so we don't have to, or when possible lock them up forever. I'm not expressing approval of the system, I'm just making sure you understand exactly what it actually is. So how does that apply to this story? Well the cop is exercising a whole lot of personal bias and judgement and discretionary decision making which _he is not authorized to exercise_. If cops were supposed to use those kinds of skills they'd earn a lot more than the tiny salaries they get, and they would be chosen from the best and brightest, but in fact police departments will refuse to hire you if you're too intelligent because they're afraid intelligence leads to corrupt cops. So you see, they don't get to be discretionary. They follow a script, they perform their duties in a way that shines like well polished boots, they collect their pensions and retire. Period. The behavior in the video is the behavior of a bad cop. It's a sociopath who knows how to push people's buttons while appearing to be controlled and calm. That's a bad cop, and it's important that we never let those people get away with their sociopathic behavior because it poisons our culture. Giving a sociopath a gun and the authority and responsibility of killing people for you is a recipe for disaster.