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> As for the self righteousness of "only peds belong on sidewalks", I get tired of that Nothing self-righteous about that. Sidewalks are -- as the name itself
by justboxing 8y ago
> As for the self righteousness of "only peds belong on sidewalks", I get tired of that
Nothing self-righteous about that.
Sidewalks are -- as the name itself suggests - meant for WALKING on the SIDE of the road, not for riding scooters and other vehicles which pose a danger to other people walking. Only exception being people on wheelchairs, but they aren't driving at break-neck speeds like an electric scooter rider, or a bicyclist.
- FooHentai 8y agoIf we're gonna play that silly game, what about roads, from the old English rād meaning 'journey on horseback'.
- gamblor956 8y agoWhy is the Old English meaning of the precursor word relevant? The modern word is road and it means thoroughfare.
- FooHentai 8y agoRight. It's almost like the name of something has no bearing on what the thing could be used for.
- c22 8y agoI always get a kick out of manipulating widgets on my bank's online "dashboard".
- gamblor956 8y agoIn the case of sidewalk vs rad vs road, you're making the wrong argument. We do not have "rads" anymore, we have "roads." "Road" is derived from "rad" but they are two different words with different meanings. A sidewalk is a walking area on the side of a road, and that meaning of the word has not changed. Bikes, for example, or prohibited from sidewalks in most Western jurisdictions (lack of enforcement notwithstanding), and essentially all Western jurisdictions prohibit motorized vehicles from sidewalks. In both cases, it is because the sidewalks are meant for "pedestrians", i.e., people walking.
- lurquer 8y agoWhat's your point? When roads were reserved for horses, would you ride your donkey on the sidewalk?
- FooHentai 8y agoYes, thank you. That is exactly my point. The name of 'sidewalk' has no bearing on what you could use the sidewalk for.
- paulmd 8y agoRoads were never reserved for horses. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-pedestrians-ruled-streets-180953396/?all https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-pedestrians-r...
- leohutson 8y agoWell reflexively referring to the DEFINITION of a WORD is not an argument. When there are no dedicated cycleways, either pedestrians share with at least some cyclists or scooterists or you have children cycling on the road.
- yorwba 8y agoWhen there are pedestrians, cyclists and cars sharing a space with only two different speed zones, cyclists driving on the sidewalk will have to limit themselves to walking speed, or cars driving on the same road as bicycles need to slow down to cyclist speed. The same "children cycling on the road" argument (which is only dangerous if the cars on the road are going faster than the children) can be applied to children walking on the sidewalk where people cycle at full speed.
- leohutson 8y ago1) An auto going 30kmh is a great deal more dangerous to a pedestrian or cyclist than a cycle doing the same. 2) Cars pose a risk to cyclists, even if cars are going the same speed, which is a fictional scenario, as many motorists don't go the same speed as cyclists and instead overtake them dangerously ASAP. 3) The risk posed by cycles to pedestrians is far less than the danger posed by autos to cycles.
- fiter 8y agoDriveways/sidewalk crossings are not necessarily designed for cycling speed traffic. Motorists do not expect bicycles when crossing sidewalks.
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- paulmd 8y agoStreets were originally for pedestrians, buster. The idea that they weren't was actually manufactured by the auto industry. Sidewalks weren't invented to get people off streets, either. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-pedestrians-ruled-streets-180953396/?all https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/when-pedestrians-r... Now: should our transportation infrastructure support cars? Yes. Society moves on. Should it also support bicycles and low-speed electric vehicles? Also yes.
- notatoad 8y agoThe problem with this is that it's the same attitude as the car drivers have about "their" roads. If we listen to the drivers who say nobody but cars should ever be on the road, and the peds who say nobody but pedestrians should ever be on the sidewalk, what's left for cyclists, scooters, or any other form of transit?
- justboxing 8y ago> If we listen to the drivers who say nobody but cars should ever be on the road. It's not drivers who say this, but the Law. Ever heard of 'Jaywalking' Tickets?