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That's inappropriately anthropomorphizing the market. The market doesn't choose anything. I choose, and the market determines my constraints in choice. Since I'

That's inappropriately anthropomorphizing the market. The market doesn't choose anything. I choose, and the market determines my constraints in choice. Since I'm well employed and not poor, my constraints are to my liking. My question regarding those who don't share that set of constraints. For some people, they go to the emergency room in cardiac arrest, having no insurance or ability to pay for critical treatment. Currently, they are treated, and costs are passed on to other consumers. Under single payer, those cost distributions would be made explicit. So besides doubling down on socialism, it accepting the status quo, are there reasonable alternative?

creaghpatr 9y ago
My half-baked opinion is that there should be a two tier system like US education. Free primary and preventative care along with dental and vision, and have a government subsidized insurance program for hospital/long term illness coverage akin to the public university system (along with the in-state discounts). And allow for a parallel private system to exist for those who want to pay more and get allegedly better treatment.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  Australia works on this model.
- monocasa 9y ago
  So how NHS works in the UK?
  - pessimizer 9y ago
    No. If you have a private system, the public system gets abandoned; it's the first thing to be cut when budgets are constrained because no one making the decisions knows anyone who uses it. See US public schools.
    - zaroth 9y ago
      Public school funding per child increased 33% from 1995-2015. EDIT: This does appear to be inflation adjusted. Here’s a federal source which is definitely inflation adjusted showing funding increasing in real terms by 27% from 1995-2013. [2] [1] - http://apps.urban.org/features/education-funding-trends/ http://apps.urban.org/features/education-funding-trends/ [2] - https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_235.10.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_235.10.a...
      - InitialLastName 9y ago
        If it had been tracking inflation, it would have increased 55% in that time [0] [0] http://www.in2013dollars.com/1995-dollars-in-2015?amount=100 http://www.in2013dollars.com/1995-dollars-in-2015?amount=100
      - croon 9y ago
        That's a 14% decrease adjusted for inflation.
    - monocasa 9y ago
      I mean, there's a separate private system in the UK.
    - isostatic 9y ago
      The NHS has survived for 70 years, as has BUPA, so your argument rather falls flat.
    - creaghpatr 9y ago
      For all the justified complaints about the US education system, it does a fairly impressive job moving the bulk of the country's children through a complex system to navigate. Many of the country's best schools are public, especially at the college-level.

creaghpatr 9y ago

My half-baked opinion is that there should be a two tier system like US education. Free primary and preventative care along with dental and vision, and have a government subsidized insurance program for hospital/long term illness coverage akin to the public university system (along with the in-state discounts). And allow for a parallel private system to exist for those who want to pay more and get allegedly better treatment.

ceejayoz 9y ago
Australia works on this model.
monocasa 9y ago
So how NHS works in the UK?
- pessimizer 9y ago
  No. If you have a private system, the public system gets abandoned; it's the first thing to be cut when budgets are constrained because no one making the decisions knows anyone who uses it. See US public schools.
  - zaroth 9y ago
    Public school funding per child increased 33% from 1995-2015. EDIT: This does appear to be inflation adjusted. Here’s a federal source which is definitely inflation adjusted showing funding increasing in real terms by 27% from 1995-2013. [2] [1] - http://apps.urban.org/features/education-funding-trends/ http://apps.urban.org/features/education-funding-trends/ [2] - https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_235.10.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d16/tables/dt16_235.10.a...
    - InitialLastName 9y ago
      If it had been tracking inflation, it would have increased 55% in that time [0] [0] http://www.in2013dollars.com/1995-dollars-in-2015?amount=100 http://www.in2013dollars.com/1995-dollars-in-2015?amount=100
    - croon 9y ago
      That's a 14% decrease adjusted for inflation.
  - monocasa 9y ago
    I mean, there's a separate private system in the UK.
  - isostatic 9y ago
    The NHS has survived for 70 years, as has BUPA, so your argument rather falls flat.
  - creaghpatr 9y ago
    For all the justified complaints about the US education system, it does a fairly impressive job moving the bulk of the country's children through a complex system to navigate. Many of the country's best schools are public, especially at the college-level.