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There are plenty of people in China who are happy to discuss the pros and cons of their government, especially as compared to America. You could even read Chine

by dnomad 8y ago

There are plenty of people in China who are happy to discuss the pros and cons of their government, especially as compared to America. You could even read Chinese newspapers and forums (some are in English or you could even learn Mandarin!) where this stuff is hashed out all the time. But it would require courage and integrity and a real willingness to learn. It's much easier to parrot what you hear second-hand from the media, isn't it? The real issue here isn't Chinese policy. Frankly, I doubt you're actually interested in Chinese policy or even the welfare of the Chinese people. The real issue here is the power of ignorance and fear. Reactions like above are a monument to it.

ng12 8y ago
> There are plenty of people in China who are happy to discuss the pros and cons of their government, especially as compared to America https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/24/china-assigns-every-citizen-a-social-credit-score-to-identify-who-is-and-isnt-trustworthy/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/24/china-assigns-every-c... I'm sure you'll forgive my skepticism.
mistermann 8y ago
Is it possible to criticize China without it being classified as "ignorance and fear"? Seriously, what "ignorance" are you referring to? Is it perhaps your mind interpreting specific criticisms as claims of pure evil?
_qbxp 8y ago
I'm genuinely interested in hearing pros and cons on the Chinese government from Chinese who are currently living in mainland China. Particularly on the topics that are the biggest flash points on HN - government censorship/great firewall/surveillance/social credit scores, etc. Do you have any English-language resources for this? Or decently translated sources? No snark or sarcasm - I've searched before, but either find nothing or hit a language barrier.
- mistermann 8y ago
  Here are some informative YouTube channels that I've watched for quite some time: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg https://www.youtube.com/user/ChinaNonStop https://www.youtube.com/user/ChinaNonStop https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFP46yVT-GG4o1TgXn-04Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFP46yVT-GG4o1TgXn-04Q Typically someone will very quickly chime in and say these are "propaganda" and you should completely ignore them. If you ask these people if the facts stated in the video are true or false, they will not answer the question. Watch with a skeptical mind, compare to facts you read in other sources, and judge for yourself. A big difference between these YouTubers (well, China Uncensored is biased to be fair) and what you'll read in the mainstream media is, these people live there, they are reporting the truth far more accurately than you'll get from other sources (on the topics they cover - they don't really get into macroeconomics for example.)

by dnomad 8y ago

ng12 8y ago

> There are plenty of people in China who are happy to discuss the pros and cons of their government, especially as compared to America https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/24/china-assigns-every-citizen-a-social-credit-score-to-identify-who-is-and-isnt-trustworthy/ http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/24/china-assigns-every-c... I'm sure you'll forgive my skepticism.

mistermann 8y ago

Is it possible to criticize China without it being classified as "ignorance and fear"? Seriously, what "ignorance" are you referring to? Is it perhaps your mind interpreting specific criticisms as claims of pure evil?

_qbxp 8y ago

I'm genuinely interested in hearing pros and cons on the Chinese government from Chinese who are currently living in mainland China. Particularly on the topics that are the biggest flash points on HN - government censorship/great firewall/surveillance/social credit scores, etc. Do you have any English-language resources for this? Or decently translated sources? No snark or sarcasm - I've searched before, but either find nothing or hit a language barrier.

mistermann 8y ago
Here are some informative YouTube channels that I've watched for quite some time: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg https://www.youtube.com/user/ChinaNonStop https://www.youtube.com/user/ChinaNonStop https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFP46yVT-GG4o1TgXn-04Q https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFP46yVT-GG4o1TgXn-04Q Typically someone will very quickly chime in and say these are "propaganda" and you should completely ignore them. If you ask these people if the facts stated in the video are true or false, they will not answer the question. Watch with a skeptical mind, compare to facts you read in other sources, and judge for yourself. A big difference between these YouTubers (well, China Uncensored is biased to be fair) and what you'll read in the mainstream media is, these people live there, they are reporting the truth far more accurately than you'll get from other sources (on the topics they cover - they don't really get into macroeconomics for example.)