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it is sad and amusing that at least three comments on this thread point out that the wapo article is substantially incomplete. From the original LaTimes articl

it is sad and amusing that at least three comments on this thread point out that the wapo article is substantially incomplete. From the original LaTimes article: "In 2013, federal authorities intercepted shipments of 28,000 restore discs that Lundgren had manufactured in China and sent to his sales partner in Florida. The discs had labels nearly identical to the discs provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos." Oh. Well that changes things substantially - copyright infringement on discs created in China in bulk looks a bit fishy and more malicious than the wapo points out. What if the discs were rooted? What if their intent was to charge the other recyclers $10 a pop vs the $25 msft charged for the same thing? I bet all those things were discussed in the courtroom and I'd love to see a really good source to understand this case vs watching the media try to wind up the pitchfork brigade as usual.

staticautomatic 9y ago
You could always request a copy of the trial transcript from the court.
gowld 9y ago
> What if the discs were rooted? They weren't. What if he murdered someone? He didn't. > What if their intent was to charge the other recyclers $10 a pop vs the $25 msft charged for the same thing? So? It's not a crime for Amazon to charge lower shipping than Newegg.
- pc86 9y ago
  It is a crime to resell a company's IP without their permission, though.
oldcynic 9y ago
> What if their intent was to charge the other recyclers $10 a pop vs the $25 msft charged for the same thing? Not what was happening at all. MS charge Dell et al $25 for a copy of Windows Home OEM, complete with certificate of authenticity sticker and new licence number. "a Microsoft letter to Hurley and a Microsoft expert witness had reduced the value of the disks to $25 apiece, stating that was what Microsoft charged refurbishers for such disks. But both the letter and the expert were pricing a disk that came with a Microsoft license" He was re-creating a restore disk that only works when associated with the already existing, and still valid, licence.
- pc86 9y ago
  As was pointed out elsewhere in this thread before your comment, you're also not allowed (as a refurbisher) to install a fresh copy of Windows without this media. The refurbishers are legally required to buy this $25 CD from Microsoft. So even though the $25 contains a new license, if they can buy it from this guy for $0.25, he is taking that $25 away from Microsoft.
  - oldcynic 9y ago
    The link to MS's licencing terms for refurbishers was added after my comment, not before.

staticautomatic 9y ago

You could always request a copy of the trial transcript from the court.

gowld 9y ago

> What if the discs were rooted? They weren't. What if he murdered someone? He didn't. > What if their intent was to charge the other recyclers $10 a pop vs the $25 msft charged for the same thing? So? It's not a crime for Amazon to charge lower shipping than Newegg.

pc86 9y ago
It is a crime to resell a company's IP without their permission, though.

oldcynic 9y ago

> What if their intent was to charge the other recyclers $10 a pop vs the $25 msft charged for the same thing? Not what was happening at all. MS charge Dell et al $25 for a copy of Windows Home OEM, complete with certificate of authenticity sticker and new licence number. "a Microsoft letter to Hurley and a Microsoft expert witness had reduced the value of the disks to $25 apiece, stating that was what Microsoft charged refurbishers for such disks. But both the letter and the expert were pricing a disk that came with a Microsoft license" He was re-creating a restore disk that only works when associated with the already existing, and still valid, licence.

pc86 9y ago
As was pointed out elsewhere in this thread before your comment, you're also not allowed (as a refurbisher) to install a fresh copy of Windows without this media. The refurbishers are legally required to buy this $25 CD from Microsoft. So even though the $25 contains a new license, if they can buy it from this guy for $0.25, he is taking that $25 away from Microsoft.
- oldcynic 9y ago
  The link to MS's licencing terms for refurbishers was added after my comment, not before.