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> Because I'm not entirely certain that we can eliminate tribalism. It's fair to say tribalism has always been around. And from that perspective, the current t

> Because I'm not entirely certain that we can eliminate tribalism. It's fair to say tribalism has always been around. And from that perspective, the current tribalism, including left-wing identity politics, is extremely reactionary. A few things are, if not new, at least notable in this case: * These people aren't historically outsiders, they're "heartland" Americans. * The cultural narrative hasn't caught up to the cultural reality yet. For example, if child of meth heads grows up to be president, he's yet another privileged white president, not an outsider who overcame adversity. "Multicultural" attitudes group him in with Warren Buffett. * There's no language, even to describe white people short on privilege. There are certainly slurs, but nothing you'd put on a questionnaire. * The general direction of American culture has been to include more and more, however slowly. This is certainly a regression in that respect. And it seems to be accompanied by an abandonment of the ideal of inclusion qua inclusion. Instead, we seem to have a list of historically disadvantaged groups, telling newly disadvantaged groups that they already had their chance. Again, this is nonsense to an unemployed daughter of opiate addicts.

montyf 9y ago
You're absolutely right, but HN users don't realize that most of America exists outside of their ideological bubble. > For example, if child of meth heads grows up to be president, he's yet another privileged white president, not an outsider who overcame adversity. It's racism and nothing else. Thing is, it's OK to be racist nowadays, as long as you're a liberal. Edit: to the guy quoting the dictionary below me, this is racism in a really obvious way. It is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race" and it's not okay just because you don't explicitly declare your race superior.
- Clubber 9y ago
  Again, not racism. It's being stereotypical. Dictionary definition: >prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
  - needToSay 9y ago
    > Again, not racism. It's being stereotypical. > Dictionary definition: > >prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Fuck off nigger
- kadenshep 9y ago
  >Thing is, it's OK to be racist nowadays, as long as you're a liberal. Citation needed, but I know you're just lying. The "left" in the U.S. has been the only political wing to consistently call out and punish its own members for unacceptable behavior. Meanwhile on the right, they gladly promote and endorse members who engage in racism, sexual assault, pedophilia, and ignoring people's rights. All while actively taking nearly every wrong perspective/action on basically any subject ranging from the economy to diplomacy. Happy reading! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States#2000%E2%80%932009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_...
  - briandear 9y ago
    Louis Farrakhan. Joy Reid. Hillary Clinton (who once famously called young black males ‘predators.’) Joe Biden, who called Barrack Obama a “clean, articulate” black candidate in contrast to the implied “uncleanliness” of one of the first black presidential candidates, Jesse Jackson. Then there is the soft bigotry of low expectations that’s famous among the left: “oh, these people are of a certain. race, so we don’t expect them to be able to pass this test or accomplish this goal.” Bigotry and racism on the left is not as obvious, but I would argue, even more insidious.
    - kadenshep 9y ago
      >Louis Farrakhan. Joy Reid. Hillary Clinton These people were called out (or continue to be called out) for their actions and words, and unlike their counter parts on the right had the intelligence to correct for it. Whether you believe it to be sincere is kind of irrelevant, so I'm just going to stave off that talking point right there. Notable "leftist" institutions like the SPLC track such statements and view points and won't play disingenuous games with who they point a spotlight on. >but I would argue, even more insidious. Please do. I'd love to see how "bigotry" on the left is somehow equivalent to the decades of economic and social policies advanced by the right+ in the U.S.; policies that have quite literally decimated entire communities across the nation via incarceration, lack of education, and lack of capital access.

montyf 9y ago

You're absolutely right, but HN users don't realize that most of America exists outside of their ideological bubble. > For example, if child of meth heads grows up to be president, he's yet another privileged white president, not an outsider who overcame adversity. It's racism and nothing else. Thing is, it's OK to be racist nowadays, as long as you're a liberal. Edit: to the guy quoting the dictionary below me, this is racism in a really obvious way. It is "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race" and it's not okay just because you don't explicitly declare your race superior.

Clubber 9y ago
Again, not racism. It's being stereotypical. Dictionary definition: >prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
- needToSay 9y ago
  > Again, not racism. It's being stereotypical. > Dictionary definition: > >prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Fuck off nigger
kadenshep 9y ago
>Thing is, it's OK to be racist nowadays, as long as you're a liberal. Citation needed, but I know you're just lying. The "left" in the U.S. has been the only political wing to consistently call out and punish its own members for unacceptable behavior. Meanwhile on the right, they gladly promote and endorse members who engage in racism, sexual assault, pedophilia, and ignoring people's rights. All while actively taking nearly every wrong perspective/action on basically any subject ranging from the economy to diplomacy. Happy reading! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States#2000%E2%80%932009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_...
- briandear 9y ago
  Louis Farrakhan. Joy Reid. Hillary Clinton (who once famously called young black males ‘predators.’) Joe Biden, who called Barrack Obama a “clean, articulate” black candidate in contrast to the implied “uncleanliness” of one of the first black presidential candidates, Jesse Jackson. Then there is the soft bigotry of low expectations that’s famous among the left: “oh, these people are of a certain. race, so we don’t expect them to be able to pass this test or accomplish this goal.” Bigotry and racism on the left is not as obvious, but I would argue, even more insidious.
  - kadenshep 9y ago
    >Louis Farrakhan. Joy Reid. Hillary Clinton These people were called out (or continue to be called out) for their actions and words, and unlike their counter parts on the right had the intelligence to correct for it. Whether you believe it to be sincere is kind of irrelevant, so I'm just going to stave off that talking point right there. Notable "leftist" institutions like the SPLC track such statements and view points and won't play disingenuous games with who they point a spotlight on. >but I would argue, even more insidious. Please do. I'd love to see how "bigotry" on the left is somehow equivalent to the decades of economic and social policies advanced by the right+ in the U.S.; policies that have quite literally decimated entire communities across the nation via incarceration, lack of education, and lack of capital access.