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I would assume YC has plenty of "wives" and "husbands" (read network connections) in China to vouch for them in front of CCP leaders. Edit: Besides, regardless

I would assume YC has plenty of "wives" and "husbands" (read network connections) in China to vouch for them in front of CCP leaders. Edit: Besides, regardless of connections, I think, the deal where YC provides easy U.S. market entry for Chinese startups for a share in the company is pretty attractive to both sides.

erikb 8y ago
Yes, that's what they think if they offer that. And my additional point was that what westerners consider "network connections" you can't have with Chinese people if you are not of Chinese heritage nor married to a Chinese wife. Even if you are a woman and married to a Chinese husband it might not be enough, because he won't listen to you in business related issues. Also hiring Chinese consultants to take care of the relationship won't work, because when the fighting starts they will side at least secretly with the Chinese other party. Also one needs to consider that culture is not just weird behavior. Through the back and forth of each appropriate reaction a Chinese person can achieve something with other Chinese people, despite him being also very frustrated with how the Chinese culture works. Because you don't know the intuitive right reaction you cannot get to that point where you can finally get some honest/valuable response. It can't be learned from a book. You need to grow up with this, because even the Chinese people don't really understand why it works.
- justicezyx 8y ago
  > if you are not of Chinese heritage nor married to a Chinese wife OK, I think you assume there is no case of Chinese men and non-Chinese women marriage, or same-gender marriage. That appears rather subtle but offensive bias.
  - erikb 8y ago
    Just the next sentence goes like this: > Even if you are a woman and married to a Chinese husband it might not be enough, because he won't listen to you in business related issues. And yes, facts can be offensive. Doesn't make them less factual.
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  - whatyoucantsay 8y ago
    > That appears rather subtle but offensive bias. Offensive bias in China is rarely subtle. Job applications regularly list age, sex and height requirements. The tightly controlled national media aired a propaganda clip about Chinese-African relations that included a Chinese woman in blackface with enormous fake buttocks and an African wearing a monkey suit... during the most watched night of television... just months ago... and then suppressed criticism of it.

erikb 8y ago

Yes, that's what they think if they offer that. And my additional point was that what westerners consider "network connections" you can't have with Chinese people if you are not of Chinese heritage nor married to a Chinese wife. Even if you are a woman and married to a Chinese husband it might not be enough, because he won't listen to you in business related issues. Also hiring Chinese consultants to take care of the relationship won't work, because when the fighting starts they will side at least secretly with the Chinese other party. Also one needs to consider that culture is not just weird behavior. Through the back and forth of each appropriate reaction a Chinese person can achieve something with other Chinese people, despite him being also very frustrated with how the Chinese culture works. Because you don't know the intuitive right reaction you cannot get to that point where you can finally get some honest/valuable response. It can't be learned from a book. You need to grow up with this, because even the Chinese people don't really understand why it works.

justicezyx 8y ago
> if you are not of Chinese heritage nor married to a Chinese wife OK, I think you assume there is no case of Chinese men and non-Chinese women marriage, or same-gender marriage. That appears rather subtle but offensive bias.
- erikb 8y ago
  Just the next sentence goes like this: > Even if you are a woman and married to a Chinese husband it might not be enough, because he won't listen to you in business related issues. And yes, facts can be offensive. Doesn't make them less factual.
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- whatyoucantsay 8y ago
  > That appears rather subtle but offensive bias. Offensive bias in China is rarely subtle. Job applications regularly list age, sex and height requirements. The tightly controlled national media aired a propaganda clip about Chinese-African relations that included a Chinese woman in blackface with enormous fake buttocks and an African wearing a monkey suit... during the most watched night of television... just months ago... and then suppressed criticism of it.