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> DirectX 12 seems to deliver uneven results when benchmarked against DirectX 11. Same applies to Vulkan. https://www.anandtech.com/show/10047/quick-look-vulk

> DirectX 12 seems to deliver uneven results when benchmarked against DirectX 11. Same applies to Vulkan. https://www.anandtech.com/show/10047/quick-look-vulkan-performance-on-the-talos-principle https://www.anandtech.com/show/10047/quick-look-vulkan-perfo... https://www.pcgamer.com/doom-benchmarks-return-vulkan-vs-opengl/2/ https://www.pcgamer.com/doom-benchmarks-return-vulkan-vs-ope... And that’s understandable. If you’ll just port a DirectX 11 game engine to 12 (or an OpenGL game engine to Vulkan), without drastic redesign of renderer, you’ll unlikely gain huge performance improvement, if any at all, compared to the older technology. The renderer need to be designed quite differently to benefit from these new multithreading focused low overhead GPU APIs, be in VK, DX12 or Metal.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
Except that it shouldn't be related to Windows 10 at all. MS did the same with DirectX10, forcing people to change their systems to Vista (for some reason they call it an "upgrade"). Eventually it turned out DirectX 10 actually can be run on Windows XP and it was just a ruse on the part of Microsoft to make people buy Vista.
- Const-me 9y ago
  > it shouldn't be related to Windows 10 at all Let’s compare with Vulkan on Linux, I hope we all agree Microsoft has nothing to do about them. Intel Vulcan drivers for Linux require at least kernel 3.10, released in 2013. nVidia Vulkan driver requires Linux kernel version 3.13+. Should Vulkan support be related to Linux kernel version? Probably not, but it still is. > forcing people to change their systems to Vista They haven’t forces too many, Vista never surpassed XP (1). And around 2009, average installed RAM amount exceeded 2GB (2), I think more people upgraded the OS because of the 64 bits. I know about XP 64, but the software & driver support just wasn’t there. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operatingsystem_market_share.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operatingsystem_market_sh... (2) https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2016/10/05/average-pc-memory-ram-continues-climb/ https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2016/10/05/average-pc-memory-...
  - Nullabillity 9y ago
    Linux kernel upgrades are free, has an iron policy on userland regressions, and aren't bundled with malware. That's a pretty big difference with requiring Windows "upgrades".
    - Const-me 9y ago
      > Linux kernel upgrades are free Windows 10 upgrade was also free for a couple of years. > has an iron policy on userland regressions GPU drivers include a lot of code running in the kernel. And Linux doesn’t give a damn about broken device drivers, especially third-party binary drivers, like GPU ones. > aren't bundled with malware Windows kernel is not bundled either. And Linux userland sometimes is, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558049

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago

Except that it shouldn't be related to Windows 10 at all. MS did the same with DirectX10, forcing people to change their systems to Vista (for some reason they call it an "upgrade"). Eventually it turned out DirectX 10 actually can be run on Windows XP and it was just a ruse on the part of Microsoft to make people buy Vista.

Const-me 9y ago
> it shouldn't be related to Windows 10 at all Let’s compare with Vulkan on Linux, I hope we all agree Microsoft has nothing to do about them. Intel Vulcan drivers for Linux require at least kernel 3.10, released in 2013. nVidia Vulkan driver requires Linux kernel version 3.13+. Should Vulkan support be related to Linux kernel version? Probably not, but it still is. > forcing people to change their systems to Vista They haven’t forces too many, Vista never surpassed XP (1). And around 2009, average installed RAM amount exceeded 2GB (2), I think more people upgraded the OS because of the 64 bits. I know about XP 64, but the software & driver support just wasn’t there. (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operatingsystem_market_share.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operatingsystem_market_sh... (2) https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2016/10/05/average-pc-memory-ram-continues-climb/ https://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2016/10/05/average-pc-memory-...
- Nullabillity 9y ago
  Linux kernel upgrades are free, has an iron policy on userland regressions, and aren't bundled with malware. That's a pretty big difference with requiring Windows "upgrades".
  - Const-me 9y ago
    > Linux kernel upgrades are free Windows 10 upgrade was also free for a couple of years. > has an iron policy on userland regressions GPU drivers include a lot of code running in the kernel. And Linux doesn’t give a damn about broken device drivers, especially third-party binary drivers, like GPU ones. > aren't bundled with malware Windows kernel is not bundled either. And Linux userland sometimes is, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558049 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4558049