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Basic Income Experiment in Finland will continue until the end of 2018

58 points by velmu 9y ago

montrose 9y ago
Not very false. They're not continuing the trial past the end of this year. Which is exactly what it said in the article I read about it. Frankly, this article seems more misleading than the ones it is complaining about.
- raverbashing 9y ago
  Clickbait headline, poor English, the article disproves its own headline, combined with a site that looks like from 10 years ago. I'm skeptical.
- Galaxeblaffer 9y ago
  Well, the headline in the original article sounded like the trials had failed missarably and was aborted, when in reality the trial was always supposed to, and was planned to, run for 1 year. It hasn't been expanded but that doesn't make it a failure
ubic 9y ago
Continued or not continued I am doing my own trial where E-Passport holders from 22 countries including Finland can get a crypto UBI. Here is the whitepaper: https://github.com/UBIC-repo/Whitepaper/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/UBIC-repo/Whitepaper/blob/master/README.m...
HenryBemis 9y ago
Does anybody else see/noticed the Netscape logo on the article's tab?
- Uberphallus 9y ago
  I did, checked the headers but Cloudfare overwrites the Server:. I don't think Oracle iPlanet Web server uses such favicon, does it?
  - icebraining 9y ago
    I don't think it's the server, it's from their theme: https://metropolitan.fi/theme/metropolitan_fi/images/favicon.ico https://metropolitan.fi/theme/metropolitan_fi/images/favicon...
abrezas 9y ago
I felt the english version was ambiguous so I read the original finnish version. It says that press reports that the trial is aborted earlier than planned is false, and for the time being there is no decision to extend it.
- m-watson 9y ago
  Yea, it does seem interesting looking at the differences. And it isn't like I know Finnish, I used google translate but even just the bolded intro is different English: There have been incorrect reports in the media about the Finnish experimental study on a Universal Basic Income. The experiment will run until the end of 2018 as planned. Finnish[1] (in English): In many international media, information has been published that Finland is going to suspend a baseline experiment. However, the experiment will continue according to the original plan until the end of 2018. [1] http://www.kela.fi/ajankohtaista-henkiloasiakkaat/-/asset_publisher/kg5xtoqDw6Wf/content/kansainvalisessa-mediassa-virheellista-tietoa-perustulokokeilun-paattymisesta http://www.kela.fi/ajankohtaista-henkiloasiakkaat/-/asset_pu...
stefs 9y ago
as far as i remember my local news source reported this correctly, but still called it "a failure" as due the short duration the program was running (due to the non-continuation) it's not enough to see the long term effects of UBI.
- neilwilson 9y ago
  It would never be enough anyway. We know what the small scale effects of UBI are - much the same as tax credits but they get always get cancelled politically or run down to an irrelevance. And extrapolating such small scale interventions to an entire currency area leads to a fallacy of composition. https://medium.com/modern-money-matters/is-basic-income-basically-finnished-babadac2d29b https://medium.com/modern-money-matters/is-basic-income-basi...
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noonespecial 9y ago
I don't know why we need these little "trials" when we already have a huge, ongoing, (and I think successful one) right in front of us. It came out exactly like you'd expect. A great many of them just sat quietly in their rooms taking all kinds of drugs, playing video games and watching TV. Some of them became community volunteers of envious zeal making huge positive differences for those around them. Many found meaningful secondary employment that they enjoyed all the more for not having to depend on it for survival. All of these were members of my own family so I was able to understand well the mentalities of each choice. The experience has made me a whole-hearted supporter of BMI. The program? Social security retirement.

58 points by velmu 9y ago

Not very false. They're not continuing the trial past the end of this year. Which is exactly what it said in the article I read about it. Frankly, this article seems more misleading than the ones it is complaining about.

raverbashing 9y ago
Clickbait headline, poor English, the article disproves its own headline, combined with a site that looks like from 10 years ago. I'm skeptical.
Galaxeblaffer 9y ago
Well, the headline in the original article sounded like the trials had failed missarably and was aborted, when in reality the trial was always supposed to, and was planned to, run for 1 year. It hasn't been expanded but that doesn't make it a failure

ubic 9y ago

Continued or not continued I am doing my own trial where E-Passport holders from 22 countries including Finland can get a crypto UBI. Here is the whitepaper: https://github.com/UBIC-repo/Whitepaper/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/UBIC-repo/Whitepaper/blob/master/README.m...

HenryBemis 9y ago

Does anybody else see/noticed the Netscape logo on the article's tab?

Uberphallus 9y ago
I did, checked the headers but Cloudfare overwrites the Server:. I don't think Oracle iPlanet Web server uses such favicon, does it?
- icebraining 9y ago
  I don't think it's the server, it's from their theme: https://metropolitan.fi/theme/metropolitan_fi/images/favicon.ico https://metropolitan.fi/theme/metropolitan_fi/images/favicon...

abrezas 9y ago

I felt the english version was ambiguous so I read the original finnish version. It says that press reports that the trial is aborted earlier than planned is false, and for the time being there is no decision to extend it.

m-watson 9y ago
Yea, it does seem interesting looking at the differences. And it isn't like I know Finnish, I used google translate but even just the bolded intro is different English: There have been incorrect reports in the media about the Finnish experimental study on a Universal Basic Income. The experiment will run until the end of 2018 as planned. Finnish[1] (in English): In many international media, information has been published that Finland is going to suspend a baseline experiment. However, the experiment will continue according to the original plan until the end of 2018. [1] http://www.kela.fi/ajankohtaista-henkiloasiakkaat/-/asset_publisher/kg5xtoqDw6Wf/content/kansainvalisessa-mediassa-virheellista-tietoa-perustulokokeilun-paattymisesta http://www.kela.fi/ajankohtaista-henkiloasiakkaat/-/asset_pu...

stefs 9y ago

as far as i remember my local news source reported this correctly, but still called it "a failure" as due the short duration the program was running (due to the non-continuation) it's not enough to see the long term effects of UBI.

neilwilson 9y ago
It would never be enough anyway. We know what the small scale effects of UBI are - much the same as tax credits but they get always get cancelled politically or run down to an irrelevance. And extrapolating such small scale interventions to an entire currency area leads to a fallacy of composition. https://medium.com/modern-money-matters/is-basic-income-basically-finnished-babadac2d29b https://medium.com/modern-money-matters/is-basic-income-basi...

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noonespecial 9y ago

I don't know why we need these little "trials" when we already have a huge, ongoing, (and I think successful one) right in front of us. It came out exactly like you'd expect. A great many of them just sat quietly in their rooms taking all kinds of drugs, playing video games and watching TV. Some of them became community volunteers of envious zeal making huge positive differences for those around them. Many found meaningful secondary employment that they enjoyed all the more for not having to depend on it for survival. All of these were members of my own family so I was able to understand well the mentalities of each choice. The experience has made me a whole-hearted supporter of BMI. The program? Social security retirement.