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I think it's not the birth itself, it's the post-birth services.

Symbiote 9y ago
To most Europeans, billing a child is never going to seem normal. And that includes dental and optical treatments. Braces and glasses are free, at least the basic type. (I've generalized all of Europe; there may be exceptions in some countries.)
- alxlaz 9y ago
  Am European, can confirm. The idea that the first thing a kid gets in this world is a bill for healthcare services is amusing in a chilly sort of way. I mean, it's not like the poor kid had a choice in the matter of whether he's born or not. What happens if the parents can't afford it? Does he, like, get to go back in until the parents pay? If he had an ailment, and it got cured, do they give it back to him? Do they put him in suspended animation :-)?
  - TomMarius 9y ago
    It's the same in Europe though. The hospital will send a bill to the insurance company (usually there is one default and you can switch your children to another any time) in the name of the child.
    - Symbiote 9y ago
      There is no "insurance company" in Britain or Denmark, the two countries I've been/am eligible for state healthcare as a resident. I've never seen any paperwork in either country regarding billing or other costs, and that's as an adult.
      - TomMarius 9y ago
        Yes, the paperwork is hidden from you, but its present, the hospital still needs a way to obtain funds from NHS, see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England - "The National Health Service (NHS) is free at the point of use for the patient though there are charges associated with eye tests, dental care, prescriptions, and many aspects of personal care." Please note that you basically listed two exceptions (plus other Nordic companies), most of EU countries have a system that combines private insurance companies with a combination of public, semi-public and completely private health providers.
    - alxlaz 9y ago
      Of course there's a bill being handed out someplace, since hospitals pay medics in money not booze. Yes. The insurance operator (public or private) gets the bill. It may not look like much to those of us who hang out on HN, but if you have a normal job, serving drinks or selling stuff in a brick and mortar shop or whatever, there's a world of difference in details like who gets the bill, what you need in order to get insurance and so on.
- ubernostrum 9y ago
  The thing is, "billing a child" is not really the proper description. What's actually happening is that: 1. A claim is submitted to the insurer, naming the baby as recipient of the claimed services. The parents are responsible for ensuring the baby is added to the policy within a reasonable amount of time. 2. If the insurer declines to pay some portion the hospital is entitled to collect, the hospital will send a bill to the parents, and the parents will be responsible for it, though the bill will be for services provided to the baby.
- TomMarius 9y ago
  I'm European and this is exactly how it works here. The child is billed, you just don't know it because it's handled behind the scenes. And no, braces and glasses are not free. Again, the child is billed, and the bill is sent to its health insurance company; also, the requirement is not just most basic type, it also needs to have a medical reason, so braces just because you want to look good aren't free, you need to contribute (I had to pay around 25,000 CZK for example, equivalent of one average monthly wage).

To most Europeans, billing a child is never going to seem normal. And that includes dental and optical treatments. Braces and glasses are free, at least the basic type. (I've generalized all of Europe; there may be exceptions in some countries.)

alxlaz 9y ago
Am European, can confirm. The idea that the first thing a kid gets in this world is a bill for healthcare services is amusing in a chilly sort of way. I mean, it's not like the poor kid had a choice in the matter of whether he's born or not. What happens if the parents can't afford it? Does he, like, get to go back in until the parents pay? If he had an ailment, and it got cured, do they give it back to him? Do they put him in suspended animation :-)?
- TomMarius 9y ago
  It's the same in Europe though. The hospital will send a bill to the insurance company (usually there is one default and you can switch your children to another any time) in the name of the child.
  - Symbiote 9y ago
    There is no "insurance company" in Britain or Denmark, the two countries I've been/am eligible for state healthcare as a resident. I've never seen any paperwork in either country regarding billing or other costs, and that's as an adult.
    - TomMarius 9y ago
      Yes, the paperwork is hidden from you, but its present, the hospital still needs a way to obtain funds from NHS, see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_England - "The National Health Service (NHS) is free at the point of use for the patient though there are charges associated with eye tests, dental care, prescriptions, and many aspects of personal care." Please note that you basically listed two exceptions (plus other Nordic companies), most of EU countries have a system that combines private insurance companies with a combination of public, semi-public and completely private health providers.
  - alxlaz 9y ago
    Of course there's a bill being handed out someplace, since hospitals pay medics in money not booze. Yes. The insurance operator (public or private) gets the bill. It may not look like much to those of us who hang out on HN, but if you have a normal job, serving drinks or selling stuff in a brick and mortar shop or whatever, there's a world of difference in details like who gets the bill, what you need in order to get insurance and so on.
ubernostrum 9y ago
The thing is, "billing a child" is not really the proper description. What's actually happening is that: 1. A claim is submitted to the insurer, naming the baby as recipient of the claimed services. The parents are responsible for ensuring the baby is added to the policy within a reasonable amount of time. 2. If the insurer declines to pay some portion the hospital is entitled to collect, the hospital will send a bill to the parents, and the parents will be responsible for it, though the bill will be for services provided to the baby.
TomMarius 9y ago
I'm European and this is exactly how it works here. The child is billed, you just don't know it because it's handled behind the scenes. And no, braces and glasses are not free. Again, the child is billed, and the bill is sent to its health insurance company; also, the requirement is not just most basic type, it also needs to have a medical reason, so braces just because you want to look good aren't free, you need to contribute (I had to pay around 25,000 CZK for example, equivalent of one average monthly wage).