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You can blame the bad actors like Infosys and Tata for ruining it for everyone.

xxorlak 8y ago
Why not penalize the companies who use them as primary vendors? It's not like they're unaware of what's happening...
screye 8y ago
I have always found this argument to be very weird. The US has full knowledge of a handful of companies (IBM, Infosys, etc) that are exploiting the h1b system. Why bring round about changes that hurt the MIT grad as much as a random code shop employee bought in by Infosys ? Why not directly target these abusers ? Why not have an element on merit when evaluating PR requests ? Australia does it, and it works pretty well. A degree from an R1 institute / high compensation / English tests are all possible ways to go about it. Why not clamp down on universities like Northwestern Polytechnic University to avoid bogus F1 students in the first place ? Affirmative action, means it is already easy for underrepresented communities to get admitted to get admitted to CS programs. Diversity programs makes getting jobs a lot simpler for such groups as well. It is not like Asians & Indians are unjustly taking away jobs from good and honest hard working Americans. The ones making big bucks are the best students from 2 countries with an unbelievable amount of competition. You know what the most funny thing is ? Most Infosys employees usually don't earn enough to have better QOL to settle with their wives in the US. These guys are all sending money back home. It is the top university grads who don't get the same kind of compensation in India, that will look to settle with their family in the US. This change might actually have the opposite of it's intended effect. That is assuming that it is not based just blatant xenophobia.
- partycoder 8y ago
  Students visas are a different discussion. Today, most graduate students are foreign. Letting those go is a huge brain drain. Ideally you want them to stay and transfer their knowledge through work.

Why not penalize the companies who use them as primary vendors? It's not like they're unaware of what's happening...

I have always found this argument to be very weird. The US has full knowledge of a handful of companies (IBM, Infosys, etc) that are exploiting the h1b system. Why bring round about changes that hurt the MIT grad as much as a random code shop employee bought in by Infosys ? Why not directly target these abusers ? Why not have an element on merit when evaluating PR requests ? Australia does it, and it works pretty well. A degree from an R1 institute / high compensation / English tests are all possible ways to go about it. Why not clamp down on universities like Northwestern Polytechnic University to avoid bogus F1 students in the first place ? Affirmative action, means it is already easy for underrepresented communities to get admitted to get admitted to CS programs. Diversity programs makes getting jobs a lot simpler for such groups as well. It is not like Asians & Indians are unjustly taking away jobs from good and honest hard working Americans. The ones making big bucks are the best students from 2 countries with an unbelievable amount of competition. You know what the most funny thing is ? Most Infosys employees usually don't earn enough to have better QOL to settle with their wives in the US. These guys are all sending money back home. It is the top university grads who don't get the same kind of compensation in India, that will look to settle with their family in the US. This change might actually have the opposite of it's intended effect. That is assuming that it is not based just blatant xenophobia.

partycoder 8y ago
Students visas are a different discussion. Today, most graduate students are foreign. Letting those go is a huge brain drain. Ideally you want them to stay and transfer their knowledge through work.