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Birth control is not 100%. Partners that seem stable prior to a pregnancy suddenly turn violent. Jobs are lost. Your mom who would have helped if you are a sing

Birth control is not 100%. Partners that seem stable prior to a pregnancy suddenly turn violent. Jobs are lost. Your mom who would have helped if you are a single mom, dies. Life threatening illnesses happens. The condition of being pregnancy itself may be trying to kill you. The wanted fetus suffers a condition that will require a lifetime of care you know you will never be able to afford in these rough United States of America. You already have 4 kids and the husband will not take no for an answer and if you have a 5th you will go jump off a bridge. You willfully ignore the complexities of life.

apta 8y ago
> Birth control is not 100%. I know that, and people should realize what they're getting themselves into when having sex that it potentially would lead to pregnancy. Call me old fashioned, but perhaps people shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage if they're not willing to risk getting pregnant. It becomes a different discussion if the life of the mother is at stake due to pregnancy. In which case, her life takes priority.
- Semirhage 8y ago
  That’s not so much old fashioned as willfully ignorant of how humans have been comporting themselves for all of recorded history. It isn’t really an opinion as much as a moral and intellectual dodge, sort of like prohibitionists preaching abstinence. I’ve also noticed that so many people lose interest in the life of child the instant it leaves the birth canal. People who thinks it’s a moral imperative to protect s fetus, don’t see, to take similar hard lines on protecting the welfare of children in general. The position seems to hold only so long as someone else is bearing the consequences. These same people are often against paying a cent in taxes for healthcare, education, food, housing. Those same people don’t even seem to bemoan genocides in places like Rwanda or Sudan, or the Congo until long after they end. To me, it reeks of screwy priorities, and control.
  - rabboRubble 8y ago
    I know. I find it intolerable to be lectured by the anti-abortion crowd who seem completely okay with the idea of US insurance plans not including pregnancy coverage automatically. Why should men be forced to pay for something they don't use they say. We will be fighting to keep the bare minimum we gained with the ACA and it will likely be a losing battle as with so many other things involving women's reproductive health.
    - apta 8y ago
      I'm neither republican or democrat, and I find the entire two party system quite bizarre to say the least. That being said, there is no reason to blindly follow either, one can be anti-abortion yet pro health care, education, and so on. Moving the goal posts so to say is not an argument.
  - apta 8y ago
    The vast majority of your post is a an association fallacy. Believe it or not, people can be anti-abortion generally, yet are interested in protected the welfare of children, and pro paying taxes for healthcare and education and housing, etc. Your post provided no argument whatsoever.
    - Semirhage 8y ago
      Maybe that’s because it wasn’t an argument, or framed as one? “I’ve noticed” and “people often” struck you as an exercise in formal logic? The only part that represented an argument was the assertion of your willful ignorance of human nature and history, which ironically you ignored.

apta 8y ago

> Birth control is not 100%. I know that, and people should realize what they're getting themselves into when having sex that it potentially would lead to pregnancy. Call me old fashioned, but perhaps people shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage if they're not willing to risk getting pregnant. It becomes a different discussion if the life of the mother is at stake due to pregnancy. In which case, her life takes priority.

Semirhage 8y ago
That’s not so much old fashioned as willfully ignorant of how humans have been comporting themselves for all of recorded history. It isn’t really an opinion as much as a moral and intellectual dodge, sort of like prohibitionists preaching abstinence. I’ve also noticed that so many people lose interest in the life of child the instant it leaves the birth canal. People who thinks it’s a moral imperative to protect s fetus, don’t see, to take similar hard lines on protecting the welfare of children in general. The position seems to hold only so long as someone else is bearing the consequences. These same people are often against paying a cent in taxes for healthcare, education, food, housing. Those same people don’t even seem to bemoan genocides in places like Rwanda or Sudan, or the Congo until long after they end. To me, it reeks of screwy priorities, and control.
- rabboRubble 8y ago
  I know. I find it intolerable to be lectured by the anti-abortion crowd who seem completely okay with the idea of US insurance plans not including pregnancy coverage automatically. Why should men be forced to pay for something they don't use they say. We will be fighting to keep the bare minimum we gained with the ACA and it will likely be a losing battle as with so many other things involving women's reproductive health.
  - apta 8y ago
    I'm neither republican or democrat, and I find the entire two party system quite bizarre to say the least. That being said, there is no reason to blindly follow either, one can be anti-abortion yet pro health care, education, and so on. Moving the goal posts so to say is not an argument.
- apta 8y ago
  The vast majority of your post is a an association fallacy. Believe it or not, people can be anti-abortion generally, yet are interested in protected the welfare of children, and pro paying taxes for healthcare and education and housing, etc. Your post provided no argument whatsoever.
  - Semirhage 8y ago
    Maybe that’s because it wasn’t an argument, or framed as one? “I’ve noticed” and “people often” struck you as an exercise in formal logic? The only part that represented an argument was the assertion of your willful ignorance of human nature and history, which ironically you ignored.