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It's stuff like this that may eventually convince Congress to defunitively scale back safe-harbor (for good or ill). It's one think to say "we can self regulate

It's stuff like this that may eventually convince Congress to defunitively scale back safe-harbor (for good or ill). It's one think to say "we can self regulate" but you have to, you know, self-regulate, otherwise eventually regulations will be imposed on you. On the one hand, I don't think noname blogs should be held responsible for every single thing posted in their comments section. On the other hand, when it comes to giants like Facebook, come on. Facebook obviously doesn't take this stuff seriously and if they won't take stuff down like this without public shaming, it seems clear that they just don't care.

jstarfish 9y ago
> It's stuff like this that may eventually convince Congress No, it absolutely will convince Congress to scale back safe harbor. It's already happening! It's how we ended up with SESTA/FOSTA on the books-- Backpage gave everyone the finger instead of policing itself. 4chan polices itself better than most of these commercial entities. It's a sad state of affairs.
- drb91 9y ago
  The difference is that SESTA/FOSTA has no discernible benefit to anyone but congress, whereas actual regulation would presumably help consumers.
  - WillPostForFood 9y ago
    Like patent regulation presumably helps consumers, but actually doesn’t.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    You are more likely to get SESTA/FOSTA analogs with different predicate offenses than “actual regulation”.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> It's one think to say "we can self regulate" Safe harbor isn't about self-regulation (in fact, it specifically is about relieving intermediaries of the need to do that), it's about content c rules being directed at contract providers, not intermediaries; removal of safe harbor forces, rather than abandons the idea of, self-policing by intermediaries, which is rather the point: to get intermediaries to censor content on the threat of exposing them to public and private liabilities if they do not.

jstarfish 9y ago

> It's stuff like this that may eventually convince Congress No, it absolutely will convince Congress to scale back safe harbor. It's already happening! It's how we ended up with SESTA/FOSTA on the books-- Backpage gave everyone the finger instead of policing itself. 4chan polices itself better than most of these commercial entities. It's a sad state of affairs.

drb91 9y ago
The difference is that SESTA/FOSTA has no discernible benefit to anyone but congress, whereas actual regulation would presumably help consumers.
- WillPostForFood 9y ago
  Like patent regulation presumably helps consumers, but actually doesn’t.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  You are more likely to get SESTA/FOSTA analogs with different predicate offenses than “actual regulation”.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> It's one think to say "we can self regulate" Safe harbor isn't about self-regulation (in fact, it specifically is about relieving intermediaries of the need to do that), it's about content c rules being directed at contract providers, not intermediaries; removal of safe harbor forces, rather than abandons the idea of, self-policing by intermediaries, which is rather the point: to get intermediaries to censor content on the threat of exposing them to public and private liabilities if they do not.