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Apple has an /8 but Microsoft does not? How did that happen?

benjohnson 9y ago
Why would you want to be a part of the inter-net? Microsoft has all of MSN!
johannes1234321 9y ago
I assume this comes from NeXT who did lot's of TCP-stuff early, not sure though. Microsoft whoever came to IP world quite late and did NetBEUI or IPX before.
toopsss 9y ago
Microsoft pretty much had an anti internet strategic policy until 1995, that’s why. Back in the day a tcpip stack was a third party add on.
- deleted 9y ago
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- notyourday 9y ago
  Microsoft got lots of its address space by buying Nortel assets.
- outworlder 9y ago
  Trumpet Winsock?
  - astrodust 9y ago
    Consider that when Trumpet Winsock was a third-party IP add-on for Windows 3.1, classic MacOS already had IP support built-in. Ironically around that time Microsoft was selling Xenix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix) which did support it.
    - kalleboo 9y ago
      Originally Apple's MacTCP was actually a product they sold separately, it wasn't bundled into the OS until 1994. Although it was usually easy to get a hold of a copy since universities and such had site licenses, and ISPs often had redistribution licenses
      - astrodust 9y ago
        Ah, it was introduced in System 7.5 which, perhaps coincidentally, was the first version of MacOS I had when I needed to connect it over TCP/IP.
wrs 9y ago
Due to the efforts of a small number of people in Apple engineering (notably Erik Fair), Apple was a pretty major internet presence in the early 90’s. Though, oddly, the exec level pretty much didn’t know it existed. Remember eWorld? (Probably not.) How did Apple get a /8? “We asked.” (https://www.quora.com/How-did-MIT-end-up-with-an-entire-class-A-subnet-of-the-IP-address-space/answer/Erik-Fair?share=769e86a1&srid=dwH https://www.quora.com/How-did-MIT-end-up-with-an-entire-clas...)
- WorldMaker 9y ago
  The odd man out in the corporate /8 space seems to be Ford Motor Company.
  - JoblessWonder 9y ago
    I think Prudential Insurance (48.0.0.0/8) is even weirder.
- raattgift 9y ago
  > "We asked" Not "just" asked for by Apple, but fairly close. The relevant bit: 'we renumbered the entire company from "picked out of the air" IP Addresses to net 17, assigned to us upon request by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) (R.I.P., Jon Postel).' https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-reasons-Apple-employees-leave-Apple/answer/Erik-Fair https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-reasons-Apple-employees-...
reaperducer 9y ago
Remember that Microsoft believed that the future was subscriptions to CDROMs like Encarta that would be delivered by mail. It was late to the party on the internet, but was a pioneer in seeing the value of subscription computing, predating pretty much every SaaS company out there today.

Why would you want to be a part of the inter-net? Microsoft has all of MSN!

I assume this comes from NeXT who did lot's of TCP-stuff early, not sure though. Microsoft whoever came to IP world quite late and did NetBEUI or IPX before.

toopsss 9y ago

Microsoft pretty much had an anti internet strategic policy until 1995, that’s why. Back in the day a tcpip stack was a third party add on.

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notyourday 9y ago
Microsoft got lots of its address space by buying Nortel assets.
outworlder 9y ago
Trumpet Winsock?
- astrodust 9y ago
  Consider that when Trumpet Winsock was a third-party IP add-on for Windows 3.1, classic MacOS already had IP support built-in. Ironically around that time Microsoft was selling Xenix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix) which did support it.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    Originally Apple's MacTCP was actually a product they sold separately, it wasn't bundled into the OS until 1994. Although it was usually easy to get a hold of a copy since universities and such had site licenses, and ISPs often had redistribution licenses
    - astrodust 9y ago
      Ah, it was introduced in System 7.5 which, perhaps coincidentally, was the first version of MacOS I had when I needed to connect it over TCP/IP.

wrs 9y ago

Due to the efforts of a small number of people in Apple engineering (notably Erik Fair), Apple was a pretty major internet presence in the early 90’s. Though, oddly, the exec level pretty much didn’t know it existed. Remember eWorld? (Probably not.) How did Apple get a /8? “We asked.” (https://www.quora.com/How-did-MIT-end-up-with-an-entire-class-A-subnet-of-the-IP-address-space/answer/Erik-Fair?share=769e86a1&srid=dwH https://www.quora.com/How-did-MIT-end-up-with-an-entire-clas...)

WorldMaker 9y ago
The odd man out in the corporate /8 space seems to be Ford Motor Company.
- JoblessWonder 9y ago
  I think Prudential Insurance (48.0.0.0/8) is even weirder.
raattgift 9y ago
> "We asked" Not "just" asked for by Apple, but fairly close. The relevant bit: 'we renumbered the entire company from "picked out of the air" IP Addresses to net 17, assigned to us upon request by the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) (R.I.P., Jon Postel).' https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-reasons-Apple-employees-leave-Apple/answer/Erik-Fair https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-reasons-Apple-employees-...

reaperducer 9y ago

Remember that Microsoft believed that the future was subscriptions to CDROMs like Encarta that would be delivered by mail. It was late to the party on the internet, but was a pioneer in seeing the value of subscription computing, predating pretty much every SaaS company out there today.