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Guitarists and audio enthusiasts are some of the most superstitious and bull-headed people I know. You can overlay spectrum graphs of digital vs analog audio ou

by EADGBE 9y ago

Guitarists and audio enthusiasts are some of the most superstitious and bull-headed people I know. You can overlay spectrum graphs of digital vs analog audio output, do double-blind tests, etc. and most will still prefer the analog version of it; crediting intangible things like "bloom", "warmth", "air" and touch-responsiveness. Not discrediting the market for digital modelers though; most fans of these systems that I know use them for less wear and tear for tours and gigs on their tube counterparts. EHX buying NewSensor's factory ensures that tubes will be around for decades, even for this niche market. Plus the NOS market is still one any laymen can participate in. https://www.ehx.com/blog/peek-inside-one-of-the-worlds-great-tube-factories https://www.ehx.com/blog/peek-inside-one-of-the-worlds-great...

schrijver 9y ago
> Guitarists and audio enthusiasts are some of the most superstitious and bull-headed people I know. I do think audiophiles trump musicians when it comes to superstitions. Just recently found out there’s a market for cables costing hundreds of euro’s to interface hi-fi components, with lush descriptions of the soundstage afforded by such cables. Ignoring the fact any record one listens to will have its sound passed through 20 euro cables at some point in its production.
- EADGBE 9y ago
  This discussion always makes me link to [1] the fact that audiophiles can't tell the difference between a high-end cable and a coat hanger. It's amazing what our ears want to hear vs. what they actually do. The weakest link always has an effect, as you mention. To some musicians, this is the effect. I.E. Hendrix preferring cheap coily-cables which rolled off the high-end on his Strat/Marshall combination nicely. Now coil cables are a premium. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=audiophile+coat+hanger+test&oq=audiophile+coat+hanger&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0.4159j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=audiophile+coat+hanger+test&...
- jackhack 9y ago
  Agreed. And not just any cables, but polarized cables, with gold plated connectors, and the copper wire formed in oxygen-deprived environments, with individual strands following certain twist-pattern to optimize the electron flow, etc. To read the descriptions, one would think the ore were mined by elves on the moon! Nonsense, all. I'm hoping these blokes never crack open the amp to look at the plain old PVC-insulated wiring within. And don't tell them the oil-in-paper caps are fading over time. Ditto with the carbon resistors. Meanwhile, humidity of the air and barometric pressure has a measurable affect on the sound of paper-cone speakers. How long before an "audiophile" barometric chamber is marketed?
- overcast 9y ago
  This is news? Hundreds of Euro's is the LOW END of boutique cable. While there is much nonsense in the audiophile world, I'm also not going to connect my $100,000 speakers with an ugly $5 cable. If you're already in that realm, $1000 cables don't mean shit in the balance sheet.
- kodis 9y ago
  I think that another factor may be something I recently learned about called "the Ikea effect": the idea that a part of the attraction that people have for Ikea furniture, above and beyond the low cost, is that because they're required to assemble it themselves, the owners feel that they've put something of themselves into the furniture. I can see something like this being a part of the audiophile attraction to these types of components: that every time the owner adds a new set of magic interconnect cables, magic power cables, or whatever, they imaging that they hear an improvement. In the end, they have a lot of themselves invested in their "rig", as they call them, and so find it easy to hear virtues that aren't really there.
handystack 9y ago
Some guitarists like to use old tube amps because they can be repaired, maintained, and modified much more easily than their modern counterparts. Old tube amps tend to have point to point wiring, which is much easier to fiddle with than reflow soldered PCBs. Electric guitarists are often poor, clever, and self reliant. They can regularly find themselves out in the boonies with nothing but duct tape and baling twine to hold their rig together. Choosing a more robustly built older amp is not an irrational choice for such a person.

by EADGBE 9y ago

schrijver 9y ago

> Guitarists and audio enthusiasts are some of the most superstitious and bull-headed people I know. I do think audiophiles trump musicians when it comes to superstitions. Just recently found out there’s a market for cables costing hundreds of euro’s to interface hi-fi components, with lush descriptions of the soundstage afforded by such cables. Ignoring the fact any record one listens to will have its sound passed through 20 euro cables at some point in its production.

EADGBE 9y ago
This discussion always makes me link to [1] the fact that audiophiles can't tell the difference between a high-end cable and a coat hanger. It's amazing what our ears want to hear vs. what they actually do. The weakest link always has an effect, as you mention. To some musicians, this is the effect. I.E. Hendrix preferring cheap coily-cables which rolled off the high-end on his Strat/Marshall combination nicely. Now coil cables are a premium. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=audiophile+coat+hanger+test&oq=audiophile+coat+hanger&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0.4159j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=audiophile+coat+hanger+test&...
jackhack 9y ago
Agreed. And not just any cables, but polarized cables, with gold plated connectors, and the copper wire formed in oxygen-deprived environments, with individual strands following certain twist-pattern to optimize the electron flow, etc. To read the descriptions, one would think the ore were mined by elves on the moon! Nonsense, all. I'm hoping these blokes never crack open the amp to look at the plain old PVC-insulated wiring within. And don't tell them the oil-in-paper caps are fading over time. Ditto with the carbon resistors. Meanwhile, humidity of the air and barometric pressure has a measurable affect on the sound of paper-cone speakers. How long before an "audiophile" barometric chamber is marketed?
overcast 9y ago
This is news? Hundreds of Euro's is the LOW END of boutique cable. While there is much nonsense in the audiophile world, I'm also not going to connect my $100,000 speakers with an ugly $5 cable. If you're already in that realm, $1000 cables don't mean shit in the balance sheet.
kodis 9y ago
I think that another factor may be something I recently learned about called "the Ikea effect": the idea that a part of the attraction that people have for Ikea furniture, above and beyond the low cost, is that because they're required to assemble it themselves, the owners feel that they've put something of themselves into the furniture. I can see something like this being a part of the audiophile attraction to these types of components: that every time the owner adds a new set of magic interconnect cables, magic power cables, or whatever, they imaging that they hear an improvement. In the end, they have a lot of themselves invested in their "rig", as they call them, and so find it easy to hear virtues that aren't really there.

handystack 9y ago

Some guitarists like to use old tube amps because they can be repaired, maintained, and modified much more easily than their modern counterparts. Old tube amps tend to have point to point wiring, which is much easier to fiddle with than reflow soldered PCBs. Electric guitarists are often poor, clever, and self reliant. They can regularly find themselves out in the boonies with nothing but duct tape and baling twine to hold their rig together. Choosing a more robustly built older amp is not an irrational choice for such a person.