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There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public

There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public, and unlike the ones that are in your cul-de-sac, they're used by many many people, not just the people who live on the same street.

syshum 9y ago
So it is your belief there are no major roads that are private? and there is no way to fund major roads in a private user fee way?
tssva 9y ago
> There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public, and unlike the ones that are in your cul-de-sac, they're used by many many people, not just the people who live on the same street. Does a 12.5 mile long 6 lane divided highway count as a major road? Because I drive on a privately owned one everyday to and from work.
- vertex-four 9y ago
  Cool. I assume that's a toll road. Now let's say every single separate road you travel on was owned by a separate company - how would you pay your tolls? In cash, every 30 seconds? Would you have to install a tracking device on your car that any road owner can tap into? Who'd control access to such a thing? How would you ensure that they don't display monopoly-like behaviour, like the identity verification/credit check/etc companies of today? Could the road owner outside your work or your home jack up the prices to make it prohibitively expensive to take your car there? How'd you prevent that? How would you ensure that somebody didn't buy up all the major roads into or out of a city and make it prohibitively expensive for poor people to access the city? How would you ensure that somebody didn't sit on their monopoly on the route to or from wherever you need to go, and refuse to perform repairs? The whole thing could, potentially, work for the countryside, where land is cheap and plentiful and if you don't mind wasting economic production on duplicating and triplicating and quadrupling routes just to make your fantasy work out, it might work. Except wait... America's got a privatised industry which theoretically competes with road travel already and has many of the same restrictions - the freight rail industry - and when's the last railway that got built? Apparently it's prohibitively expensive to buy the land.
  - syshum 9y ago
    >>and when's the last railway that got built? Apparently it's prohibitively expensive to buy the land. Umm all the time and continually. Rail issues are not land prices, Transportation by rail has all kinds of other issue largely related to safety, government, and time not the price of land
lightedman 9y ago
"There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public" No, in fact many publicly-used roads are outright owned by foreign agents, both toll and non-toll, as well as hundreds of specific truck trails that run throughout our wilderness. LR2000 is your friend.

syshum 9y ago

So it is your belief there are no major roads that are private? and there is no way to fund major roads in a private user fee way?

tssva 9y ago

> There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public, and unlike the ones that are in your cul-de-sac, they're used by many many people, not just the people who live on the same street. Does a 12.5 mile long 6 lane divided highway count as a major road? Because I drive on a privately owned one everyday to and from work.

vertex-four 9y ago
Cool. I assume that's a toll road. Now let's say every single separate road you travel on was owned by a separate company - how would you pay your tolls? In cash, every 30 seconds? Would you have to install a tracking device on your car that any road owner can tap into? Who'd control access to such a thing? How would you ensure that they don't display monopoly-like behaviour, like the identity verification/credit check/etc companies of today? Could the road owner outside your work or your home jack up the prices to make it prohibitively expensive to take your car there? How'd you prevent that? How would you ensure that somebody didn't buy up all the major roads into or out of a city and make it prohibitively expensive for poor people to access the city? How would you ensure that somebody didn't sit on their monopoly on the route to or from wherever you need to go, and refuse to perform repairs? The whole thing could, potentially, work for the countryside, where land is cheap and plentiful and if you don't mind wasting economic production on duplicating and triplicating and quadrupling routes just to make your fantasy work out, it might work. Except wait... America's got a privatised industry which theoretically competes with road travel already and has many of the same restrictions - the freight rail industry - and when's the last railway that got built? Apparently it's prohibitively expensive to buy the land.
- syshum 9y ago
  >>and when's the last railway that got built? Apparently it's prohibitively expensive to buy the land. Umm all the time and continually. Rail issues are not land prices, Transportation by rail has all kinds of other issue largely related to safety, government, and time not the price of land

lightedman 9y ago

"There's many small private roads, but all the major ones you drive on every day to get to and from your work once you're away from your suburb? Those are public" No, in fact many publicly-used roads are outright owned by foreign agents, both toll and non-toll, as well as hundreds of specific truck trails that run throughout our wilderness. LR2000 is your friend.