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Isn't the whole point of a hackathon meant to be getting something quick and dirty up and running in limited time? I think using PHP warrants extra points for

Isn't the whole point of a hackathon meant to be getting something quick and dirty up and running in limited time? I think using PHP warrants extra points for style.

realusername 9y ago
I would also add that people clearly got stuck in the past regarding their point of view of programing languages, PHP is a decent language nowadays, it's not PHP3 anymore... The same way JS evolved a lot since the days of IE6.
gaius 9y ago
Isn't the whole point of a hackathon meant to be getting something quick and dirty up and running in limited time? No, the point of a hackathon is to condition the Workers that unpaid overtime is not only normal and expected but also fun!
gyaru 9y ago
>I think using PHP warrants extra points for style. Especially if literally everyone else is just using node + MongoDB.
- chriswarbo 9y ago
  > Especially if literally everyone else is just using node + MongoDB. There's definitely a "narccissism of small differences" going on in programming languages. PHP, JS, Python, Ruby, Perl are all basically the same (dynamically typed, imperative, interpreted, optional class-based-OOP, etc.). If a decision's been made to use one of these, then things like library availability and developer experience are probably much more important than particular language features or quality. Yet there's a whole bunch of fighting and in-group/out-group between these. Likewise Java and C# are essentially the same thing (I think the lawsuit banning Microsoft from bundling Java had a big influence on their push for C#, rather than actual features of the language). There also seems to be a certain level of incests among languages. I remember PHP had an RFC (request for comments) for adding generators to the language, seemingly because Python has them. I commented that it would be better to go with delimited continuations, since they're more powerful and could also use the same implementation as exception handling. My comment was not well received, presumably because delimited continuations would actually make PHP different from its kin, rather than even closer. > I think using PHP warrants extra points for style. I always feel like a "real" programming language debate should throw in the occasional curveball, like a Prolog interpreter embedded in Smalltalk or something. At least it would break the monotony. On a related note, why shouldn't a mars rover be programmed in TeX? http://sdh33b.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html http://sdh33b.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html

Isn't the whole point of a hackathon meant to be getting something quick and dirty up and running in limited time? I think using PHP warrants extra points for style.

realusername 9y ago

I would also add that people clearly got stuck in the past regarding their point of view of programing languages, PHP is a decent language nowadays, it's not PHP3 anymore... The same way JS evolved a lot since the days of IE6.

gaius 9y ago

Isn't the whole point of a hackathon meant to be getting something quick and dirty up and running in limited time? No, the point of a hackathon is to condition the Workers that unpaid overtime is not only normal and expected but also fun!

gyaru 9y ago

>I think using PHP warrants extra points for style. Especially if literally everyone else is just using node + MongoDB.

chriswarbo 9y ago
> Especially if literally everyone else is just using node + MongoDB. There's definitely a "narccissism of small differences" going on in programming languages. PHP, JS, Python, Ruby, Perl are all basically the same (dynamically typed, imperative, interpreted, optional class-based-OOP, etc.). If a decision's been made to use one of these, then things like library availability and developer experience are probably much more important than particular language features or quality. Yet there's a whole bunch of fighting and in-group/out-group between these. Likewise Java and C# are essentially the same thing (I think the lawsuit banning Microsoft from bundling Java had a big influence on their push for C#, rather than actual features of the language). There also seems to be a certain level of incests among languages. I remember PHP had an RFC (request for comments) for adding generators to the language, seemingly because Python has them. I commented that it would be better to go with delimited continuations, since they're more powerful and could also use the same implementation as exception handling. My comment was not well received, presumably because delimited continuations would actually make PHP different from its kin, rather than even closer. > I think using PHP warrants extra points for style. I always feel like a "real" programming language debate should throw in the occasional curveball, like a Prolog interpreter embedded in Smalltalk or something. At least it would break the monotony. On a related note, why shouldn't a mars rover be programmed in TeX? http://sdh33b.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html http://sdh33b.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/icfp-contest-2008.html