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The GDPR is inconvenient with many of the shady business models popular among web-centric companies. In the long run, it's good for all of us if those business
by rectang 9y ago
The GDPR is inconvenient with many of the shady business models popular among web-centric companies.
In the long run, it's good for all of us if those business models are discouraged.
- woolvalley 9y agoIt's inconvenient for the non-shady, non adtech, we give you a service in exchange for money businesses too! I think the best thing to take away from GDPR compliance is 'it's not as easy as you think it is', 'it's not as obvious as you think it is', and small businesses who totally respect privacy will probably still be breaking GDPR.
- rectang 9y agoI'm OK with that and I accept that cost, because in my eyes stopping the savage victimization of users is worthwhile. For you (or the WSJ) to persuade me that the GDPR is problematic, I'd have to believe that first, that's something that those opposed to the GDPR actually care about, and that it's something that could be achieved through other means.
- chrischen 9y agoExcept this does nothing to really stop the savage victimization of users by Facebook or Google. If anything it solidifes their dominance. The abuses are happening from these big companies, not the thousands of tiny startups that live and die within months that have a few hundred thousand users.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y agoThis argument is of the "we can't solve the problem completely, so let's do nothing about it" kind. The abuse is happening from both camps and we all know it, especially here on HN where some of us are actively developing user-tracking schemes and ad-targeting platforms for a living.
- nemothekid 9y agoIMO, it's less "both camps are doing it" and more have we now insulated these giants from any future competition. For example, how do the decentralized social platforms (mastadon, diaspora), exist under GDPR?
- AstralStorm 9y agoUnder explicit consent of the people putting the data in. All this needs is a nice informative screen on how the data will be used and that it will be publicly available, which may mean being processed by other registered users and unknown third parties. The networks will not be able to process the data in other ways than making it available. If you break someone's privacy laws you will be liable directly. Probably also a note that data on this network cannot be completely deleted for specific technical reasons.
- rectang 9y agoSo your proposal is a return to the status quo ante and unlimited exploitation of users? Not good enough. I will take the imperfect good of the GDPR as an incremental improvement over the option of abject surrender.
- woolvalley 9y agoNo the proposal is to apply the GDPR to the large organizations that can afford to implement it properly. It's not black and white ;)
- AstralStorm 9y agoGDPR is not applied indiscriminately you know. It has various responsibilities indeed depending on company and/or database size.
- tjoff 9y agoActually, it does. Thanks to GPDR you now has to opt in to allow facebook to track you in photos etc. And startups that exploit users don't really provide much of anything anyway.
- chrischen 9y agoFacebook’s harm comes from wasting your time and putting you in an echo chamber of agreeable people and agreeable thoughts. They can make it all opt-in fairly easily as a requirement for using certain features. People will blindly click and continue like normal.
- tjoff 9y agoWell, there are tons of people that use facebook to the smallest extent possible and that only because they are forced if they want to be informed of certain events etc. This is a huge step in the right direction for a lot of people.
- xg15 9y agoI think this objection sounds vague. Could you give some examples of regulations where one should talk with a lawyer before implementing?
- LoSboccacc 9y agoDo you have any european contacts on your mobile phone? Hope you have consent for those. We’re at this level of inconvenience.
- seszett 9y agoDo you think you have contacts on your phone from people who are not OK with it, and if that's the case do you think you should be allowed to keep them as contacts against their will? GDPR or not, that could already be judged as some form of stalking by the already existing national laws. Edit, people don't seem to like that, but the fact is that just having saved the contact info of people who did not want it has already been used as sufficient proof in harassment (I think? "harcèlement") cases in France. I would be surprised if it was not already the case elsewhere as well.
- zeeZ 9y agoIf your contacts are synced to the cloud, were they informed that their information will be transferred and processed overseas?
- seszett 9y agoProbably not. But it would be great if you could prevent your own contact info from being sent to companies outside the EU, indeed. In practice however, I don't think that will happen.