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> killing baby girls Sorry to nitpick, but female foeticide (sex-selective abortion) would be better described as “aborting female fetuses.”

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ihsw2 9y ago
It is murder.
praneshp 9y ago
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was referring to female infanticide, not foeticide.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  The state you’re from ranks highest in female infanticide?! That is terribly sad.
  - praneshp 9y ago
    Super-high. Pretty sure there is a handful worse than us, if it matters..
  - ars 9y ago
    And if it was the highest in female abortions it would not be sad? The end result is identical, and despite being able to see a difference, nonetheless I feel the same way about both situations. Abortions should be reserved for only the direst of situations.
socceroos 9y ago
Rant incoming - this isn't targeted at you, but my observations on this. I've always found it ridiculous that effectively 1 planck-time can be the difference between a collection of cells and a human and therefore the difference between selfish rights and outraged sorrow. The idea that you can draw the line arbitrarily along a child's development other than the very moment of inception and call one a self-centered right and the other murder is preposterous. The very fact that it is the premeditated interference that prevents the baby from continuing to develop should be the light-bulb moment for most discerning and logical individuals. You literally have to kill the baby to stop it from becoming a fully-formed version of itself - that is literally it. You have to kill it to stop it from getting to a point that you 'begin to feel bad'. It is ridiculous. The fact that, when unimpeded, that baby will grow into an adult individual should be a pretty obvious reminder to people of what they're actually doing. I've been saying this for a little while, but I'm sure a time will come when society collectively looks back on this period and shudders at the horror of it all.
- jake_the_third 9y ago
  Thank you for saying this. It had always disturbed me how people change the name of what is quite literally ending another human life to something else as a means to soften or discard the moral implication associated with said action. It's disgusting. Truth be told though, this renaming-bad-things-to-make-them-passable phenomenon isn't only limited to killing unborn children, and it has been going on for a long time.
  - Canaan 9y ago
    'War'...what is it good for?
- praneshp 9y ago
  (I'm not sure if I'm giving you the right context, or if you already know about it, etc etc, so blanket apology if required) I understood and didn't take offence at the nitpick mainly due to the fact that foetus vs baby is an important argument in the pro-choice vs pro-life debate in the US; the "women should be allowed to control their bodies" side is usually presented with "should they be allowed to kill a baby to control their body", etc.
  - socceroos 9y ago
    No apology required. ;) Yeah, I had read and understood the context and ended up unsure of where to nest my rant so that it was most relevant to being discussed but least intrusive. I think I've missed the mark on that so sorry for the confusion.
- heartbreak 9y ago
  I’m not about to have an abortion debate on HN. My nitpick was an attempt to clear up any confusion of terms involved. The OP referenced an episode about female foeticide which is, by its definition, different from infanticide. Morality of either is irrelevant. The confusion has since been cleared up, so there’s no need to drag it on.
- rabboRubble 9y ago
voltooid 9y ago
I think that the comment above mentioned killing baby girls because that is a thing. The killing of live born baby girls. You are right, that is different from aborting fetuses. Both these things happen.

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ihsw2 9y ago

It is murder.

praneshp 9y ago

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was referring to female infanticide, not foeticide.

heartbreak 9y ago
The state you’re from ranks highest in female infanticide?! That is terribly sad.
- praneshp 9y ago
  Super-high. Pretty sure there is a handful worse than us, if it matters..
- ars 9y ago
  And if it was the highest in female abortions it would not be sad? The end result is identical, and despite being able to see a difference, nonetheless I feel the same way about both situations. Abortions should be reserved for only the direst of situations.

socceroos 9y ago

Rant incoming - this isn't targeted at you, but my observations on this. I've always found it ridiculous that effectively 1 planck-time can be the difference between a collection of cells and a human and therefore the difference between selfish rights and outraged sorrow. The idea that you can draw the line arbitrarily along a child's development other than the very moment of inception and call one a self-centered right and the other murder is preposterous. The very fact that it is the premeditated interference that prevents the baby from continuing to develop should be the light-bulb moment for most discerning and logical individuals. You literally have to kill the baby to stop it from becoming a fully-formed version of itself - that is literally it. You have to kill it to stop it from getting to a point that you 'begin to feel bad'. It is ridiculous. The fact that, when unimpeded, that baby will grow into an adult individual should be a pretty obvious reminder to people of what they're actually doing. I've been saying this for a little while, but I'm sure a time will come when society collectively looks back on this period and shudders at the horror of it all.

jake_the_third 9y ago
Thank you for saying this. It had always disturbed me how people change the name of what is quite literally ending another human life to something else as a means to soften or discard the moral implication associated with said action. It's disgusting. Truth be told though, this renaming-bad-things-to-make-them-passable phenomenon isn't only limited to killing unborn children, and it has been going on for a long time.
- Canaan 9y ago
  'War'...what is it good for?
praneshp 9y ago
(I'm not sure if I'm giving you the right context, or if you already know about it, etc etc, so blanket apology if required) I understood and didn't take offence at the nitpick mainly due to the fact that foetus vs baby is an important argument in the pro-choice vs pro-life debate in the US; the "women should be allowed to control their bodies" side is usually presented with "should they be allowed to kill a baby to control their body", etc.
- socceroos 9y ago
  No apology required. ;) Yeah, I had read and understood the context and ended up unsure of where to nest my rant so that it was most relevant to being discussed but least intrusive. I think I've missed the mark on that so sorry for the confusion.
heartbreak 9y ago
I’m not about to have an abortion debate on HN. My nitpick was an attempt to clear up any confusion of terms involved. The OP referenced an episode about female foeticide which is, by its definition, different from infanticide. Morality of either is irrelevant. The confusion has since been cleared up, so there’s no need to drag it on.
rabboRubble 9y ago

voltooid 9y ago

I think that the comment above mentioned killing baby girls because that is a thing. The killing of live born baby girls. You are right, that is different from aborting fetuses. Both these things happen.