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Absolute BS. The only reason you would perceive YT to be "left-leaning" is that advertisers in general don't want to be associated with alt-right content. YT is

by bllguo 9y ago

Absolute BS. The only reason you would perceive YT to be "left-leaning" is that advertisers in general don't want to be associated with alt-right content. YT is merely mirroring the biases of the advertisers.

peterhadlaw 9y ago
A 9th circuit judge (inarguably a left leaning court) has stated in a lawsuit involving Google (YouTube) and PragerU (far from alt-right), that claiming YouTube acts in a neutral way is "puffery" (yes that's a legal term).
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  Source?
  - tomsthumb 9y ago
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4421826-Prager-Dismissed.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4421826-Prager-Dismi...
- asdsa5325 9y ago
  Prager's lawsuit claims that YouTube's censorship is violating their first amendment rights. This is simply bullshit, since first amendment rights don't apply to a private company like YouTube. YouTube has the right to remove / restrict whatever it likes on it's own site.
  - tomsthumb 9y ago
    Your comment is all good and well, but while the tone is dismissive/combative, its content doesn't interact with peterhandlaw's point. Just so you know :)
    - asdsa5325 9y ago
      I'm just practicing my first amendment rights /s It also does, since I was providing the content of the lawsuit that he happened to fail to mention.
      - tomsthumb 9y ago
        The context of the lawsuit is irrelevant to the courts statement on puffery aside from being the initiating reason the statement on puffery was made (which we already knew). The court could have made the same statement without Prager filing the suit and it would still be accurate. The context doesn’t change the fact of the statement. So again, your providing context does not change or challenge peterhandlaw’s point r.e. Puffery.
      - peterhadlaw 9y ago
        For the record, the utility arguments and size and such put aside (rabbit hole not relevant per say), in general, I don't think a private company should be compelled into any speech (including this lawsuit, which, as of now I probably disagree with.) So to conclude, your context / commentary, although appreciated, does not change my statement.
  - krautsourced 9y ago
    I'm curious: currently I'm sure Youtube relies on the "Safe Harbour" clauses to not be liably for what people post. But once they actively curate the content (and not just for Terms of Service violation but for actual content), does this not mean they would lose this protection?
- magicalist 9y ago
  > A 9th circuit judge (inarguably a left leaning court) has stated in a lawsuit involving Google (YouTube) and PragerU (far from alt-right), that claiming YouTube acts in a neutral way is "puffery" (yes that's a legal term). No they didn't. The judge wrote that YouTube's marketing statements about hosting a diversity of videos and "giving people a voice" can't be used by the plaintiff to bring a false advertising claim when youtube takes down a video. The judgement is saying that statements that are obviously "puffery" can't be used as the basis for false advertising, not that claiming YouTube "acts in a neutral way" is inherently "puffery": > None of the statements about YouTube’s viewpoint neutrality identified by Plaintiff resembles the kinds of “quantifiable” statements about the “specific or absolute characteristics of a product” that are actionable under the Lanham Act. Newcal Indus., 513 F.3d at 1053. Rather, the statements are vague representations about how YouTube is generally “committed to fostering a community where everyone’s voice can be heard” and providing “opportunities” for people from all over to share their diverse “point[s] of view.” Compl. ¶¶ 3, 28. > The statements do not say anything specific about YouTube’s “mission” to “give people a voice,” and make no concrete and measurable guarantees or representations about the “opportunities” made available for people to express themselves “no matter where they are from or what their age or point of view.” Id. ¶ 28. > As a result, the Court concludes that these statements are neither “[]likely to induce consumer reliance,” Newcal Indus., 513 F.3d at 1053, nor “capable of being proved false,” Coastal Abstract, 173 F.3d at 731, and are therefore non-actionable puffery under the Lanham Act.
ironjunkie 9y ago
What about the ban of any gun related videos? Isn't that political censorship? Did you already watch Youtube CEO's (Susan Wojcicki) comments on anything political? Youtube is a private entity and they don't have any obligation to be neutral. They only have to pretend to be.
- scottie_m 9y ago
  It also isn’t true, or Taofledermaus, and Kirsten Joy Weiss wouldn’t be showing new vids most weeks. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2Hkmjt3QA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2Hkmjt3QA
- krapp 9y ago
  Youtube didn't ban "any" gun related videos. Go there and search. There are plenty of gun related videos, as well as plenty of videos complaining about youtube banning gun videos.
  - post_break 9y ago
    Everything I've read has stated the bans and deletions will go in affect at the end of this month. Down to the wire but if true there will be a lot of "where is your god now?" examples to this idea that YouTube won't enforce its own rules: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en
    - rhcom2 9y ago
      Those rules don't ban everything gun related though, just selling and modification. Although if Forgotten Weapons gets caught up in that because they're for auction that would be a real shame.
      - post_break 9y ago
        It wipes out reloading channels which is shame though.

by bllguo 9y ago

peterhadlaw 9y ago

A 9th circuit judge (inarguably a left leaning court) has stated in a lawsuit involving Google (YouTube) and PragerU (far from alt-right), that claiming YouTube acts in a neutral way is "puffery" (yes that's a legal term).

JumpCrisscross 9y ago
Source?
- tomsthumb 9y ago
  https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4421826-Prager-Dismissed.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4421826-Prager-Dismi...
asdsa5325 9y ago
Prager's lawsuit claims that YouTube's censorship is violating their first amendment rights. This is simply bullshit, since first amendment rights don't apply to a private company like YouTube. YouTube has the right to remove / restrict whatever it likes on it's own site.
- tomsthumb 9y ago
  Your comment is all good and well, but while the tone is dismissive/combative, its content doesn't interact with peterhandlaw's point. Just so you know :)
  - asdsa5325 9y ago
    I'm just practicing my first amendment rights /s It also does, since I was providing the content of the lawsuit that he happened to fail to mention.
    - tomsthumb 9y ago
      The context of the lawsuit is irrelevant to the courts statement on puffery aside from being the initiating reason the statement on puffery was made (which we already knew). The court could have made the same statement without Prager filing the suit and it would still be accurate. The context doesn’t change the fact of the statement. So again, your providing context does not change or challenge peterhandlaw’s point r.e. Puffery.
    - peterhadlaw 9y ago
      For the record, the utility arguments and size and such put aside (rabbit hole not relevant per say), in general, I don't think a private company should be compelled into any speech (including this lawsuit, which, as of now I probably disagree with.) So to conclude, your context / commentary, although appreciated, does not change my statement.
- krautsourced 9y ago
  I'm curious: currently I'm sure Youtube relies on the "Safe Harbour" clauses to not be liably for what people post. But once they actively curate the content (and not just for Terms of Service violation but for actual content), does this not mean they would lose this protection?
magicalist 9y ago
> A 9th circuit judge (inarguably a left leaning court) has stated in a lawsuit involving Google (YouTube) and PragerU (far from alt-right), that claiming YouTube acts in a neutral way is "puffery" (yes that's a legal term). No they didn't. The judge wrote that YouTube's marketing statements about hosting a diversity of videos and "giving people a voice" can't be used by the plaintiff to bring a false advertising claim when youtube takes down a video. The judgement is saying that statements that are obviously "puffery" can't be used as the basis for false advertising, not that claiming YouTube "acts in a neutral way" is inherently "puffery": > None of the statements about YouTube’s viewpoint neutrality identified by Plaintiff resembles the kinds of “quantifiable” statements about the “specific or absolute characteristics of a product” that are actionable under the Lanham Act. Newcal Indus., 513 F.3d at 1053. Rather, the statements are vague representations about how YouTube is generally “committed to fostering a community where everyone’s voice can be heard” and providing “opportunities” for people from all over to share their diverse “point[s] of view.” Compl. ¶¶ 3, 28. > The statements do not say anything specific about YouTube’s “mission” to “give people a voice,” and make no concrete and measurable guarantees or representations about the “opportunities” made available for people to express themselves “no matter where they are from or what their age or point of view.” Id. ¶ 28. > As a result, the Court concludes that these statements are neither “[]likely to induce consumer reliance,” Newcal Indus., 513 F.3d at 1053, nor “capable of being proved false,” Coastal Abstract, 173 F.3d at 731, and are therefore non-actionable puffery under the Lanham Act.

ironjunkie 9y ago

What about the ban of any gun related videos? Isn't that political censorship? Did you already watch Youtube CEO's (Susan Wojcicki) comments on anything political? Youtube is a private entity and they don't have any obligation to be neutral. They only have to pretend to be.

scottie_m 9y ago
It also isn’t true, or Taofledermaus, and Kirsten Joy Weiss wouldn’t be showing new vids most weeks. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2Hkmjt3QA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rN2Hkmjt3QA
krapp 9y ago
Youtube didn't ban "any" gun related videos. Go there and search. There are plenty of gun related videos, as well as plenty of videos complaining about youtube banning gun videos.
- post_break 9y ago
  Everything I've read has stated the bans and deletions will go in affect at the end of this month. Down to the wire but if true there will be a lot of "where is your god now?" examples to this idea that YouTube won't enforce its own rules: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7667605?hl=en
  - rhcom2 9y ago
    Those rules don't ban everything gun related though, just selling and modification. Although if Forgotten Weapons gets caught up in that because they're for auction that would be a real shame.
    - post_break 9y ago
      It wipes out reloading channels which is shame though.