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Just reading about this and looking at a sex ratio map, https://www.mapsofindia.com/census2011/female-sex-ratio.html https://www.mapsofindia.com/census2011/fema

by dm3730 8y ago

Just reading about this and looking at a sex ratio map, https://www.mapsofindia.com/census2011/female-sex-ratio.html https://www.mapsofindia.com/census2011/female-sex-ratio.html , there is a massive difference between a diagonal line between the North and the South. North India is what is described as dominated by patriarchal religions like Islam, Christianity, Islamicized-Hinduism and Urdu-Hindi languages whereas South India and North-East India practices animist or ancestor worship Hinduism (less Islamic/Christian influence) and speak Dravidian or Austro-Asiatic languages. It is like two separate countries. The North seems to be a terrible mess with well below normal female births.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
Curiously, it carries across the boarder to Pakistan [EDITED OUT: which appeared to have had fewer than 550 females per male in 2013] [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_inequality#/media/File:2013_Gender_gap_index_world_map,_Gender_Inequality_Distribution.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_inequality#/media/File:... EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:2012_Birth_Sex_Ratio_World_Map.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:20...
- natch 8y ago
  >[the north is] dominated by patriarchal religions like... Perhaps not so curious after all.
- farseer 8y ago
  You posted a link to gender gap index (access to health, jobs etc), not birth rate.
- meric 8y ago
  I don’t think that chart means what you think it means. In any case can you clarify your comment? 550 females per male?
- Scaevolus 8y ago
  That's a map of a composite "gender inequality" score, which is about employment and earnings ratios, not actual sex ratios. Here's one for sex ratios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:2012_Birth_Sex_Ratio_World_Map.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:20...
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YetAnotherNick 8y ago
I am Hindu, and I have no idea how you got this off track. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2001_Census_India_religion_distribution_map%2C_percent_Hindu_in_states_and_union_territories.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2001_Cen... for religion, and this map for GDP per capita https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GRDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Indian_s... . The first map seems to have zero correlation, while second at least a little.
- dm3730 8y ago
  > I am Hindu, and I have no idea how you got this off track I have studied Hinduism and India in detail. I'm sorry that you feel my analysis is incorrect, but I can try to explain. Firstly, the census data you linked to still relies on the British definition of "Hindu". It may come as a surprise to many Indians including those that would describe themselves as "Hindu" that in fact, the term Hindu was popularized by the British and just meant "non-Muslim". That definition even originally included Buddhists and Sikhs. " The British government created a compendium of religious laws for Hindus, and the term 'Hindu' in these colonial 'Hindu laws', decades before India's independence, applied to Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs. Rachel Sturman (2010), Hinduism and Law: An Introduction (Editors: Timothy Lubin et al), Cambridge University Press, Beyond the stipulations of British law, colonial orientalists and particularly the influential Asiatick Researches founded in the 18th century, later called The Asiatic Society, initially identified just two religions in India – Islam, and Hinduism. These orientalists included all Indian religions such as Buddhism as a subgroup of Hinduism in the 18th century. These texts called followers of Islam as Mohamedans, and all others as Hindus. " There is little in common with the "Hinduism" practiced in say, Uttar Pradesh with the "Hinduism" practiced in Kerala. In Kerala, Hindus even eat beef from cows which would be considered a sacrilege in Uttar Pradesh. This is why the term Hindu does not really communicate any information other than "non-Muslim" and even that is debatable since parts of the "Hinduism" practiced in places like Rajasthan bears a great deal of resemblance to Arabic-Islamic culture.
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tarlinian 8y ago
Generally speaking I was under the impression that Islam and Christianity in particular are significantly better represented in southern India, especially if you consider political influence.
pcr0 8y ago
This divide extends into politics too. The North is dominated by a centre-right democratic party and a far-right nationalist party, whereas the South is a cacophony of center-right to far-left parties
- chimeracoder 8y ago
  > The North is dominated by a centre-right democratic party and a far-right nationalist party, whereas the South is a cacophony of center-right to far-left parties Literally the two most left-eing democratic governments in the history of the entire world are two different states in the north of India. One of those includes the second most populous region in the entire subcontinent. Indian politics doesn't really map cleanly onto a Western left-right polítical spectrum, but if people insist on trying to do it, at least do it somewhat accurately.
- zuron7 8y ago
  What is it to have a democratically elected communist party?
sumedh 8y ago
Is it the religion playing a role or education/wealth? You see the same divide between North and South India with education and wealth, Southern India is more educated and wealthy compared to the Northern regions.
- batuhanw 8y ago
  Religion encourages education or not which affects wealth.
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by dm3730 8y ago

JumpCrisscross 8y ago

Curiously, it carries across the boarder to Pakistan [EDITED OUT: which appeared to have had fewer than 550 females per male in 2013] [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_inequality#/media/File:2013_Gender_gap_index_world_map,_Gender_Inequality_Distribution.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_inequality#/media/File:... EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:2012_Birth_Sex_Ratio_World_Map.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:20...

natch 8y ago
>[the north is] dominated by patriarchal religions like... Perhaps not so curious after all.
farseer 8y ago
You posted a link to gender gap index (access to health, jobs etc), not birth rate.
meric 8y ago
I don’t think that chart means what you think it means. In any case can you clarify your comment? 550 females per male?
Scaevolus 8y ago
That's a map of a composite "gender inequality" score, which is about employment and earnings ratios, not actual sex ratios. Here's one for sex ratios: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:2012_Birth_Sex_Ratio_World_Map.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio#/media/File:20...
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YetAnotherNick 8y ago

I am Hindu, and I have no idea how you got this off track. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2001_Census_India_religion_distribution_map%2C_percent_Hindu_in_states_and_union_territories.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/2001_Cen... for religion, and this map for GDP per capita https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GRDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Indian_s... . The first map seems to have zero correlation, while second at least a little.

dm3730 8y ago
> I am Hindu, and I have no idea how you got this off track I have studied Hinduism and India in detail. I'm sorry that you feel my analysis is incorrect, but I can try to explain. Firstly, the census data you linked to still relies on the British definition of "Hindu". It may come as a surprise to many Indians including those that would describe themselves as "Hindu" that in fact, the term Hindu was popularized by the British and just meant "non-Muslim". That definition even originally included Buddhists and Sikhs. " The British government created a compendium of religious laws for Hindus, and the term 'Hindu' in these colonial 'Hindu laws', decades before India's independence, applied to Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs. Rachel Sturman (2010), Hinduism and Law: An Introduction (Editors: Timothy Lubin et al), Cambridge University Press, Beyond the stipulations of British law, colonial orientalists and particularly the influential Asiatick Researches founded in the 18th century, later called The Asiatic Society, initially identified just two religions in India – Islam, and Hinduism. These orientalists included all Indian religions such as Buddhism as a subgroup of Hinduism in the 18th century. These texts called followers of Islam as Mohamedans, and all others as Hindus. " There is little in common with the "Hinduism" practiced in say, Uttar Pradesh with the "Hinduism" practiced in Kerala. In Kerala, Hindus even eat beef from cows which would be considered a sacrilege in Uttar Pradesh. This is why the term Hindu does not really communicate any information other than "non-Muslim" and even that is debatable since parts of the "Hinduism" practiced in places like Rajasthan bears a great deal of resemblance to Arabic-Islamic culture.
- calvinbhai 8y ago

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tarlinian 8y ago

Generally speaking I was under the impression that Islam and Christianity in particular are significantly better represented in southern India, especially if you consider political influence.

pcr0 8y ago

This divide extends into politics too. The North is dominated by a centre-right democratic party and a far-right nationalist party, whereas the South is a cacophony of center-right to far-left parties

chimeracoder 8y ago
> The North is dominated by a centre-right democratic party and a far-right nationalist party, whereas the South is a cacophony of center-right to far-left parties Literally the two most left-eing democratic governments in the history of the entire world are two different states in the north of India. One of those includes the second most populous region in the entire subcontinent. Indian politics doesn't really map cleanly onto a Western left-right polítical spectrum, but if people insist on trying to do it, at least do it somewhat accurately.
zuron7 8y ago
What is it to have a democratically elected communist party?

sumedh 8y ago

Is it the religion playing a role or education/wealth? You see the same divide between North and South India with education and wealth, Southern India is more educated and wealthy compared to the Northern regions.

batuhanw 8y ago
Religion encourages education or not which affects wealth.

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