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BureaucracyTube -- the creators get no support or feedback, the networks get no control over their clients, and the advertisers get played like a fiddle by the

BureaucracyTube -- the creators get no support or feedback, the networks get no control over their clients, and the advertisers get played like a fiddle by the loud minority of the easily offended. Personal agency is dying, and Silicon Valley is, sadly, complicit.

PuffinBlue 8y ago
> advertisers get played like a fiddle by the loud minority of the easily offended. It seems you can replace the first word in that sentence with many others and still accurately describe much of modern society. I wonder if it was always so? Perhaps the same technology that brings offence to them allows the offended to shout loudly their displeasure with it.
- mtreis86 8y ago
  "What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment, be deaf to all those motives whose powers supported him through his trial, and inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose." -Thomas Jefferson
- scottie_m 8y ago
  Why can’t you curse on broadcast tv or radio in the US? Just for one of many examples where the previous “vocal minority” have dictated policy. Why are there blue laws? Why is pot illegal at the federal level in the US? Prostitution? Religious and “moral majority” types still dictate to a less vocal majority. That this only seems to have occurred to some people when the people complaining include some on the Left speaks volumes. For me, I’d like neither political pole to dictate to the rest of us, but I wasn’t born yesterday so I’m not holding my breath. I’m also not acting like this is somehow new. The only thing that’s changed is that the vocal types with clout aren’t just the religious Right. On the bright side that means more people are empowered, on the downside it now means that two extremes are fighting for power over us instead of just one.
  - chiefalchemist 8y ago
    > "Why can’t you curse on broadcast tv or radio in the US" Because SV has had a holier than thou attitude. SV has promised us it is beyond tradition. Those previous enemies are obvious. But SV said it would be __less__ of the same. Where are the jet packs we were promised?? Or was that (empthy) promise just a press release?
    - scottie_m 8y ago
      I said US, not SV, and contrary to the beliefs of some in a bubble, one is not the other. Silicon Valley is also a place full of different people and companies, so no “it” didn’t say anything, the people and companies there have made a ton of claims and promises, some of which they’ve even upheld. Fortunately jet packs aren’t one of them, because I can’t think of anything more likely to get people killed on a regular basis, while being terminally noisy and polluting. Of course what serious person believed they were getting jet packs? The same people who still think that flying cars will be in every driveway? Some promises are made just because there are people with money who are stupid enough to believe them, and predatory people can’t resist parting fools and their money. Don’t take it all so personally, and don’t invest in things like Juicero or jet packs and you’ll be a lot happier and wealthier.
      - chiefalchemist 8y ago
        To clarify. To me. YT / Google is a reliable proxy for SV. I was simply trying to answer the quoted question in that context. Whether you like and/or agree with the answer is further discussion.
  - dgzl 8y ago
    Along the way, our government has been somewhat hijacked. The 10th amendment of the Bill of Rights says to the effect: ~"The Feds can only do what the Constitution says they can, states have rights to create their own rules, and all other liberties are given to citizens." If you're imagining the power dynamic between the federal, state, and citizen level, the Constitution was written to give citizens a framework of higher government, while the Bill of Rights was written to explicitly restrict that government's power. (i.e. "government shall make no law" vs. "citizen has rights xyz") Somewhere along the way people started seeing the federal government as the top of the pyramid rather than a caged beast. Somewhere the beast escaped the cage.
trophycase 8y ago
Technology is inherently used to further systems of control. The death of individuality and agency is directly linked to technological improvements. I shudder to think 50 years from now when your every movement/word/thought is known and truly fear for humanity.

PuffinBlue 8y ago

> advertisers get played like a fiddle by the loud minority of the easily offended. It seems you can replace the first word in that sentence with many others and still accurately describe much of modern society. I wonder if it was always so? Perhaps the same technology that brings offence to them allows the offended to shout loudly their displeasure with it.

mtreis86 8y ago
"What a stupendous, what an incomprehensible machine is man! Who can endure toil, famine, stripes, imprisonment and death itself in vindication of his own liberty, and the next moment, be deaf to all those motives whose powers supported him through his trial, and inflict on his fellow men a bondage, one hour of which is fraught with more misery than ages of that which he rose in rebellion to oppose." -Thomas Jefferson
scottie_m 8y ago
Why can’t you curse on broadcast tv or radio in the US? Just for one of many examples where the previous “vocal minority” have dictated policy. Why are there blue laws? Why is pot illegal at the federal level in the US? Prostitution? Religious and “moral majority” types still dictate to a less vocal majority. That this only seems to have occurred to some people when the people complaining include some on the Left speaks volumes. For me, I’d like neither political pole to dictate to the rest of us, but I wasn’t born yesterday so I’m not holding my breath. I’m also not acting like this is somehow new. The only thing that’s changed is that the vocal types with clout aren’t just the religious Right. On the bright side that means more people are empowered, on the downside it now means that two extremes are fighting for power over us instead of just one.
- chiefalchemist 8y ago
  > "Why can’t you curse on broadcast tv or radio in the US" Because SV has had a holier than thou attitude. SV has promised us it is beyond tradition. Those previous enemies are obvious. But SV said it would be __less__ of the same. Where are the jet packs we were promised?? Or was that (empthy) promise just a press release?
  - scottie_m 8y ago
    I said US, not SV, and contrary to the beliefs of some in a bubble, one is not the other. Silicon Valley is also a place full of different people and companies, so no “it” didn’t say anything, the people and companies there have made a ton of claims and promises, some of which they’ve even upheld. Fortunately jet packs aren’t one of them, because I can’t think of anything more likely to get people killed on a regular basis, while being terminally noisy and polluting. Of course what serious person believed they were getting jet packs? The same people who still think that flying cars will be in every driveway? Some promises are made just because there are people with money who are stupid enough to believe them, and predatory people can’t resist parting fools and their money. Don’t take it all so personally, and don’t invest in things like Juicero or jet packs and you’ll be a lot happier and wealthier.
    - chiefalchemist 8y ago
      To clarify. To me. YT / Google is a reliable proxy for SV. I was simply trying to answer the quoted question in that context. Whether you like and/or agree with the answer is further discussion.
- dgzl 8y ago
  Along the way, our government has been somewhat hijacked. The 10th amendment of the Bill of Rights says to the effect: ~"The Feds can only do what the Constitution says they can, states have rights to create their own rules, and all other liberties are given to citizens." If you're imagining the power dynamic between the federal, state, and citizen level, the Constitution was written to give citizens a framework of higher government, while the Bill of Rights was written to explicitly restrict that government's power. (i.e. "government shall make no law" vs. "citizen has rights xyz") Somewhere along the way people started seeing the federal government as the top of the pyramid rather than a caged beast. Somewhere the beast escaped the cage.

trophycase 8y ago

Technology is inherently used to further systems of control. The death of individuality and agency is directly linked to technological improvements. I shudder to think 50 years from now when your every movement/word/thought is known and truly fear for humanity.