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Why do I doubt they are the real losers here? Bloomberg states that they pocketed over $470M in fees.[1] And I imagine they were able to write off losses agai
by poof131 8y ago
Why do I doubt they are the real losers here? Bloomberg states that they pocketed over $470M in fees.[1] And I imagine they were able to write off losses against wins elsewhere. So the real losers still seem to be the employees and the American people. A few years back I was talking to an east coast banker turned VC and he was pooping on the leveraged buyout industry. He said that all the debt payments are tax deductible, so you take a cash flow positive company, saddle it with debt, and essentially stop paying taxes to the government and turn that into payouts for the investors.[2] He said if you look at other countries with different tax policies in regards to debt, you don’t find the same scale of the industry. Perhaps with a better tax policy we could have seen a more natural outcome for Toys ‘R’ Us? I assume unfortunately that the limit on deductions in the second linked article never made it into law and went the way of closing the carried interest loophole.[3]
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-19/bain-kkr-vornado-suffer-wipeout-in-toys-r-us-bankruptcy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-19/bain-kkr-...
[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-privateequity/u-s-tax-curbs-on-debt-deduction-to-sting-buyout-barons-idUSKBN1EF1G5 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tax-privateequity/u-s...
[3] https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-love-welfarefor-the-rich-its-called-the-carried-interest-loophole https://www.thedailybeast.com/republicans-love-welfarefor-th...
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago> Bloomberg states that they pocketed over $470M in fees They invested $1.3 billion. The interest payments were deductible to Toys 'R' Us, which would have been useful if it survived long enough to pay dividends to its equity holders. KKR et al lost money on this.
- sangnoir 8y ago> KKR et al lost money on this I think it's hard to say conclusively without being their tax accountants/lawyers: > > all the debt payments are tax deductible After declaration of bankruptcy, they probably get tax credits they can use in the coming years... Excuse my inexact terminology, I'm not an Accountant.
- icelancer 8y ago>> Why do I doubt they are the real losers here? Because it is fashionable to assume everyone on Wall Street just makes tons of money at the expense of Main Street, which is a gross oversimplification of what is occurring in today's society.