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Some restrictions pertaining to integration would help. Being able to speak the language within your first year in a new country helps integration and lessens

Some restrictions pertaining to integration would help. Being able to speak the language within your first year in a new country helps integration and lessens the us-vs-them feeling. Ideally people wouldn't mind hearing a different language, but unfortunately we're not that tolerant yet.

simion314 8y ago
The rich countries want cheap workers, you can have them both cheap and educated in foreign languages, this workers also will go home when working season is over or if they don't like the conditions. The ones that do not directly benefit by this cheap workforce may not like this people that don't speak the main language well but the ones that benefit don't care.
- michaelt 8y ago
  The rich countries want cheap workers, Do you think voters in rich countries want cheap workers? Because I don't think I've ever heard a politician say out loud that they want cheap workers.
  - iguy 8y ago
    It's a vote-winning strategy to keep an economic boom going, and importing young workers to fuel it is such a strategy. Almost all European countries did this. By the time said workers are old, and their kids (who aren't mentally comparing to the village their family) are unhappily unemployed... well that's decades later, you don't get elected by worrying about such things.
  - simion314 8y ago
    The ones that do not benefit from this do not want it, but there are family businesses that would fail without the cheap workers from other countries, I am not making the point that cheap work is a good thing or a bad thing, just that people are benefiting from this. Also this workers are working hard jobs in agriculture or constructions, with bad conditions, the citizens would not accept to work this job, for the agriculture obs I am not sure if even with bigger pay the regular citizens would want to work hard physical jobs outside in the bad weather.
fwdpropaganda 8y ago
> Being able to speak the language within your first year in a new country helps integration and lessens the us-vs-them feeling. Not sure what you're talking about. I'm been to Italy and Germany many times and never felt unwelcome for not speaking their language.
- mfoy_ 8y ago
  Visiting, or living.... there's a different standard applied to guests than to neighbours.
  - fwdpropaganda 8y ago
    If you're an Italian guy and we meet on the street and I don't speak Italian, how would you know if I'm visiting or living? EDIT: Before you respond that "immigration policy etc etc", notice that the post I was responding to was talking about interations between individuals (using phrases like "ideally people wouldn't mind hearing a different language"), not policy.
    - dazc 8y ago
      I've found in different countries within the EU that attitudes change dramatically to foreigners once you go beyond the centres of major cities or tourist areas. This is true even in Ireland where the only language barrier is an accent. Maybe this is what he means by the distinction of living/visiting?
pjc50 8y ago
> Some restrictions pertaining to integration would help. Again, on which immigrants are we talking about here? Could you be specific?
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simion314 8y ago

The rich countries want cheap workers, you can have them both cheap and educated in foreign languages, this workers also will go home when working season is over or if they don't like the conditions. The ones that do not directly benefit by this cheap workforce may not like this people that don't speak the main language well but the ones that benefit don't care.

michaelt 8y ago
The rich countries want cheap workers, Do you think voters in rich countries want cheap workers? Because I don't think I've ever heard a politician say out loud that they want cheap workers.
- iguy 8y ago
  It's a vote-winning strategy to keep an economic boom going, and importing young workers to fuel it is such a strategy. Almost all European countries did this. By the time said workers are old, and their kids (who aren't mentally comparing to the village their family) are unhappily unemployed... well that's decades later, you don't get elected by worrying about such things.
- simion314 8y ago
  The ones that do not benefit from this do not want it, but there are family businesses that would fail without the cheap workers from other countries, I am not making the point that cheap work is a good thing or a bad thing, just that people are benefiting from this. Also this workers are working hard jobs in agriculture or constructions, with bad conditions, the citizens would not accept to work this job, for the agriculture obs I am not sure if even with bigger pay the regular citizens would want to work hard physical jobs outside in the bad weather.

fwdpropaganda 8y ago

> Being able to speak the language within your first year in a new country helps integration and lessens the us-vs-them feeling. Not sure what you're talking about. I'm been to Italy and Germany many times and never felt unwelcome for not speaking their language.

mfoy_ 8y ago
Visiting, or living.... there's a different standard applied to guests than to neighbours.
- fwdpropaganda 8y ago
  If you're an Italian guy and we meet on the street and I don't speak Italian, how would you know if I'm visiting or living? EDIT: Before you respond that "immigration policy etc etc", notice that the post I was responding to was talking about interations between individuals (using phrases like "ideally people wouldn't mind hearing a different language"), not policy.
  - dazc 8y ago
    I've found in different countries within the EU that attitudes change dramatically to foreigners once you go beyond the centres of major cities or tourist areas. This is true even in Ireland where the only language barrier is an accent. Maybe this is what he means by the distinction of living/visiting?

pjc50 8y ago

> Some restrictions pertaining to integration would help. Again, on which immigrants are we talking about here? Could you be specific?

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