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Vim isn't that popular with coders. Visual Studio and Notepad++ are the most popular across the board while Vim is preferred by Sysadmins according to this Stac

Vim isn't that popular with coders. Visual Studio and Notepad++ are the most popular across the board while Vim is preferred by Sysadmins according to this Stackoverflow survey from 2017 - https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-most-popular-developer-environments-by-occupation https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-mo... Notice how those numbers don't add up to 100%. They let you pick multiple answers on the survey. Therefore, I would consider Vim percentage even lower in reality since many people would specify it on a survey since they basically have to use it while working on a server. Vim is used by a small but very loud minority. Don't listen to them - they're optimizing for the wrong thing (keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard) at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing.

movedx 8y ago
> Vim is used by a small but very loud minority. Don't listen to them - they're optimizing for the wrong thing (keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard) at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing. It would be good if you could unpack this some more and explain it in detail. If I'm wasting my time then I'd like to know why and consider whether or not I should change my practices. The part of your statement that stands out to me is, "keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard". I think this is called touch typing and I can assure you, I don't do it. I'm fast on the keyboard, but not as fast as a touch typist. I throw my fingers all over the place, actually. Vim for me simply boils down to being a fast, simple, lightweight tool that offers years upon years of development in both the core of the product and plugins, themes, etc. I'm not really sure how my choice of hammer can be optimising for the wrong thing if it does the same thing your hammer does and we're both productive?
- hungerstrike 8y ago
  > if it does the same thing your hammer does... It does not do the same thing as my hammer. Not even close. As a matter of fact, with Vim you cannot get even half the functionality of a good graphical IDE or even something like VSCode without drastically lowering your standards. > Optimizing the wrong thing...at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing... Vim lacks discoverability. That's the first major aspect of computing that Vim just completely throws out the window. Speaking of windows - Vim also lacks integration with the rest of your graphical OS by default. You can't use your normal graphical file picker, you can't just drag files into Vim and you can't easily configure Vims activity to be reflected in the rest of your OS (in areas such as recently-edited-files and so on). Sure, you can get a graphical version of Vim, but now you have 2 problems - you have to configure different versions of Vim to use it the way you want to. Even the mouse pointer a hallmark of modern computing, is largely useless in Vim! Also, text-based configuration is throwing out another majorly useful aspect of computing: convenient and easy to access settings. Anyway, if you enjoy editing text like it's 1976 - that's fine with me. Just don't try and tell me it's as good as my hammer because it simply is not.

movedx 8y ago

> Vim is used by a small but very loud minority. Don't listen to them - they're optimizing for the wrong thing (keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard) at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing. It would be good if you could unpack this some more and explain it in detail. If I'm wasting my time then I'd like to know why and consider whether or not I should change my practices. The part of your statement that stands out to me is, "keeping your fingers on the home-row of the keyboard". I think this is called touch typing and I can assure you, I don't do it. I'm fast on the keyboard, but not as fast as a touch typist. I throw my fingers all over the place, actually. Vim for me simply boils down to being a fast, simple, lightweight tool that offers years upon years of development in both the core of the product and plugins, themes, etc. I'm not really sure how my choice of hammer can be optimising for the wrong thing if it does the same thing your hammer does and we're both productive?

hungerstrike 8y ago
> if it does the same thing your hammer does... It does not do the same thing as my hammer. Not even close. As a matter of fact, with Vim you cannot get even half the functionality of a good graphical IDE or even something like VSCode without drastically lowering your standards. > Optimizing the wrong thing...at the expense of just about every other aspect of computing... Vim lacks discoverability. That's the first major aspect of computing that Vim just completely throws out the window. Speaking of windows - Vim also lacks integration with the rest of your graphical OS by default. You can't use your normal graphical file picker, you can't just drag files into Vim and you can't easily configure Vims activity to be reflected in the rest of your OS (in areas such as recently-edited-files and so on). Sure, you can get a graphical version of Vim, but now you have 2 problems - you have to configure different versions of Vim to use it the way you want to. Even the mouse pointer a hallmark of modern computing, is largely useless in Vim! Also, text-based configuration is throwing out another majorly useful aspect of computing: convenient and easy to access settings. Anyway, if you enjoy editing text like it's 1976 - that's fine with me. Just don't try and tell me it's as good as my hammer because it simply is not.