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Using IE11 with the emulator switched to IE5 I can assure you, it works in IE5. At least the main layout, no popup though :D Still equal parts scary and astonis

by xab9 8y ago

Using IE11 with the emulator switched to IE5 I can assure you, it works in IE5. At least the main layout, no popup though :D Still equal parts scary and astonishing.

seba_dos1 8y ago
Wikipedia is a content-heavy website first, webapp only second. If it's written correctly, then of course it's going to work in IE5 - maybe with some parts of the layout looking ugly, maybe with some margins being wrong, some media not being embedded, but generally should be usable. Nowadays it's fine for a webdev to not test their pages on IE5, but when the page is done right, there is no reason for it not to work in IE5, lynx, w3m or Netscape Navigator. Really, it's just a webdeveloper's job done right.
- xab9 8y ago
  Nope, it's not "done right". It's a table layout from the nineties. But probably there's an api so noone would have to scrape a wiki page, I never needed to do that fortunately :)
  - worble 8y ago
    And what exactly is not "done right" about that? If it displays the information it's supposed to in a clean and organised way, and loads as fast as any other website, then I couldn't care less if it's a '90's table layout' or using whatever the hot new JS framework is.
    - Nadya 8y ago
      Try to read today's Featured Article in a text-to-speech program. The markup is so mangled it can't even read a complete sentence because it breaks anytime the text links out.
      - shakna 8y ago
        JAWS didn't have any issues for me, which reader are you using?
        Nadya 8y ago
        NVDA - aka the "2nd choice" - but I think it may have been a configuration issue on my end as the markup on the page, after looking into why NVDA was struggling with it, is just a <p> with some <a> in it which NVDA should handle fine.
        shakna 8y ago
        NVDA can be difficult to configure, for sure. I couldn't get it to play nicely with Sublime, probably my fault. Reason I shelled out for JAWS.
  - boomlinde 8y ago
    Just taking a quick look at the MacOS article posted earlier in this thread, the whole page uses tables exactly as tables should be used: for tables. How do you suppose tables should be implemented? I've seen plenty of idiotic examples of tables being implemented with a bunch of styled <div>, probably because people keep parroting the idea that tables are bad because table based layouts are bad.

by xab9 8y ago

Using IE11 with the emulator switched to IE5 I can assure you, it works in IE5. At least the main layout, no popup though :D Still equal parts scary and astonishing.

seba_dos1 8y ago

Wikipedia is a content-heavy website first, webapp only second. If it's written correctly, then of course it's going to work in IE5 - maybe with some parts of the layout looking ugly, maybe with some margins being wrong, some media not being embedded, but generally should be usable. Nowadays it's fine for a webdev to not test their pages on IE5, but when the page is done right, there is no reason for it not to work in IE5, lynx, w3m or Netscape Navigator. Really, it's just a webdeveloper's job done right.

xab9 8y ago
Nope, it's not "done right". It's a table layout from the nineties. But probably there's an api so noone would have to scrape a wiki page, I never needed to do that fortunately :)
- worble 8y ago
  And what exactly is not "done right" about that? If it displays the information it's supposed to in a clean and organised way, and loads as fast as any other website, then I couldn't care less if it's a '90's table layout' or using whatever the hot new JS framework is.
  - Nadya 8y ago
    Try to read today's Featured Article in a text-to-speech program. The markup is so mangled it can't even read a complete sentence because it breaks anytime the text links out.
    - shakna 8y ago
      JAWS didn't have any issues for me, which reader are you using?
      - Nadya 8y ago
        NVDA - aka the "2nd choice" - but I think it may have been a configuration issue on my end as the markup on the page, after looking into why NVDA was struggling with it, is just a <p> with some <a> in it which NVDA should handle fine.
        shakna 8y ago
        NVDA can be difficult to configure, for sure. I couldn't get it to play nicely with Sublime, probably my fault. Reason I shelled out for JAWS.
- boomlinde 8y ago
  Just taking a quick look at the MacOS article posted earlier in this thread, the whole page uses tables exactly as tables should be used: for tables. How do you suppose tables should be implemented? I've seen plenty of idiotic examples of tables being implemented with a bunch of styled <div>, probably because people keep parroting the idea that tables are bad because table based layouts are bad.