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No, it's not "very clear" as the "intelligence" is 100% Twitter-based and zero actual autopsy has taken place, as no one actually died that day. Or so say the h

No, it's not "very clear" as the "intelligence" is 100% Twitter-based and zero actual autopsy has taken place, as no one actually died that day. Or so say the hospital staff.

valuearb 8y ago
Not sure which of the 70+ documented attacks you are referring to. And the White Helmets would disagree, and are less subject to Syrian governmental “persuasion” than doctors. There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack.
- deleteme12345 8y ago
  "The White Helmets" -- there's your problem. > There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack. That did not happen.
  - blackbagboys 8y ago
    >> That did not happen. Counterpoint: It did happen. Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors.
    - freeflight 8y ago
      > Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors. Actually, it's UN personnel that blocked the inspection from happening because it was them who came under attack and thus declared the situation too dangerous for the inspection team [0]. Neither Syria nor Russia had anything to do with preventing that inspection from happening. [0] https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_.pdf https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_....
  - valuearb 8y ago
    > That did not happen. Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coverup-suspected-in-syria-as-inspectors-remain-blocked/2018/04/20/1ca0f164-440a-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.01dff9df9d9e https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coveru... I assume you believe that since you also apparently believe Russian and Syrian claims that a volunteer search and rescue organization that's helped thousands of people is really made up of terrorists generating false flag stories. And by the downvotes you aren't the only one. Though I also see you don't have any response to the fact that over 70 chemical weapon attacks have been reported.
    - scottie_m 8y ago
      As I said in my first post, the evidence for chlorine being added to barrel bombs is strong, and that’s certainly a chemical weapon. I haven’t seen any good evidence of nerve agents used though, which are another class of chemical weapon, and what relates to this blog. I would also point out that this whole chemical weapons debate is an emotional dog whistle. Somehow we accept dropping 1000lb barrel bombs loaded with shrapnel on civilians, but the addition of chlorine makes it inhumane? Come on, it’s mass slaughter in Syria, and chemicals doing the bulk of the damage are high explosives and incendiaries. Let’s be honest with ourselves and each other, and accept that we either care about this, or don’t. Don’t buy into narratives that somehow it only matters when gas is involved. The important considerations have to do with the degree of killing (which is huge) and what we feel we can do about it at an acceptable cost (very little). We should be honest about why we’re hysterical about Syria (Russia) and almost totally ignoring Yemen (Saudi Arabia).
    - ordu 8y ago
      > Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying? No. They say "On Thursday, the United States said it had credible information to suggest that Syria and Russia were working to delay the OPCW mission..." No one is lying and nevertheless this article is no more than those photos with people with masks (possibly oxygen masks). All that was said that US claims that it have some evidence to suggest. There are nothing was said that OPCW claims the same and WP itself doesn't claim anything about Syria. There was nothing said that those "credible information" is not the one that we do not have, maybe it is just a common sense: if Syria claims control over the area, that any delays for OPCW are from government? All the article is just random informational noise saying nothing. All the US claims was predictable a priory, article adds nothing to those predictions. It means zero information. To find truth you should read carefully even when you read scientific article which is written in a way to be plain. But when you read media-news, you need to be very careful and to read every word.
pcrh 8y ago
The OPCW reports on Syria's chemical weapon efforts can be found at the link below. Syria has been making and deploying chemical weapons for quite a while. https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/ https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/
- freeflight 8y ago
  > Syria has been making and deploying chemical weapons for quite a while. That was also quite a while ago, they've been cooperating with OPCW on destroying all their stocks and production facilities for these last years, as evident by the OPCW progress reports. I just can't see any scenario where using these kinda of weapons would be advantageous for the Syrian government, at least in the current situation. At this point, the war in Syria is pretty much decided, what's happening right now is mostly clean-up. The US just declared to get out of there, Trump set up another "red line" and then the Syrian government just decides "Hey, let's do this thing that gives them justification to keep intervening and cross that red line before the paint dries!", it just doesn't add up, they gain nothing from this.

No, it's not "very clear" as the "intelligence" is 100% Twitter-based and zero actual autopsy has taken place, as no one actually died that day. Or so say the hospital staff.

valuearb 8y ago

Not sure which of the 70+ documented attacks you are referring to. And the White Helmets would disagree, and are less subject to Syrian governmental “persuasion” than doctors. There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack.

deleteme12345 8y ago
"The White Helmets" -- there's your problem. > There is a reason Assad’s government blocked inspectors from examining the latest claimed attack. That did not happen.
- blackbagboys 8y ago
  >> That did not happen. Counterpoint: It did happen. Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors.
  - freeflight 8y ago
    > Only the country currently propping up the regime's genocidaires with all-out military support is claiming it was unspecified 'militants' who blocked the inspectors. Actually, it's UN personnel that blocked the inspection from happening because it was them who came under attack and thus declared the situation too dangerous for the inspection team [0]. Neither Syria nor Russia had anything to do with preventing that inspection from happening. [0] https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_.pdf https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-59/en/ecm59dg02_e_....
- valuearb 8y ago
  > That did not happen. Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coverup-suspected-in-syria-as-inspectors-remain-blocked/2018/04/20/1ca0f164-440a-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.01dff9df9d9e https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chemical-weapons-coveru... I assume you believe that since you also apparently believe Russian and Syrian claims that a volunteer search and rescue organization that's helped thousands of people is really made up of terrorists generating false flag stories. And by the downvotes you aren't the only one. Though I also see you don't have any response to the fact that over 70 chemical weapon attacks have been reported.
  - scottie_m 8y ago
    As I said in my first post, the evidence for chlorine being added to barrel bombs is strong, and that’s certainly a chemical weapon. I haven’t seen any good evidence of nerve agents used though, which are another class of chemical weapon, and what relates to this blog. I would also point out that this whole chemical weapons debate is an emotional dog whistle. Somehow we accept dropping 1000lb barrel bombs loaded with shrapnel on civilians, but the addition of chlorine makes it inhumane? Come on, it’s mass slaughter in Syria, and chemicals doing the bulk of the damage are high explosives and incendiaries. Let’s be honest with ourselves and each other, and accept that we either care about this, or don’t. Don’t buy into narratives that somehow it only matters when gas is involved. The important considerations have to do with the degree of killing (which is huge) and what we feel we can do about it at an acceptable cost (very little). We should be honest about why we’re hysterical about Syria (Russia) and almost totally ignoring Yemen (Saudi Arabia).
  - ordu 8y ago
    > Is the Washington Post & OPCW lying? No. They say "On Thursday, the United States said it had credible information to suggest that Syria and Russia were working to delay the OPCW mission..." No one is lying and nevertheless this article is no more than those photos with people with masks (possibly oxygen masks). All that was said that US claims that it have some evidence to suggest. There are nothing was said that OPCW claims the same and WP itself doesn't claim anything about Syria. There was nothing said that those "credible information" is not the one that we do not have, maybe it is just a common sense: if Syria claims control over the area, that any delays for OPCW are from government? All the article is just random informational noise saying nothing. All the US claims was predictable a priory, article adds nothing to those predictions. It means zero information. To find truth you should read carefully even when you read scientific article which is written in a way to be plain. But when you read media-news, you need to be very careful and to read every word.

pcrh 8y ago

The OPCW reports on Syria's chemical weapon efforts can be found at the link below. Syria has been making and deploying chemical weapons for quite a while. https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/ https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/

freeflight 8y ago
> Syria has been making and deploying chemical weapons for quite a while. That was also quite a while ago, they've been cooperating with OPCW on destroying all their stocks and production facilities for these last years, as evident by the OPCW progress reports. I just can't see any scenario where using these kinda of weapons would be advantageous for the Syrian government, at least in the current situation. At this point, the war in Syria is pretty much decided, what's happening right now is mostly clean-up. The US just declared to get out of there, Trump set up another "red line" and then the Syrian government just decides "Hey, let's do this thing that gives them justification to keep intervening and cross that red line before the paint dries!", it just doesn't add up, they gain nothing from this.