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Okay actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. I expect them to do advertising and they do not (!) need that kind of data on me for their sea

Okay actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. I expect them to do advertising and they do not (!) need that kind of data on me for their search result advertising to be relevant. They have my search term; that should be enough in isolation. I would pay handsomely for Google Maps, but I have no such option. Again though, that is a service that works just fine without my individual data; they have my location and my search term, and any business that pops up is inherently relevant due to simple proximity. Please do not call this entitlement. Please understand that my privacy is valuable to me. Please understand that I would gladly pay to keep it.

product50 9y ago
That is totally fair. My main point here was the users have to pay one way or the other. Either via more seeing more targeted ads, which sacrifices their privacy, or via real $$.
RandomException 9y ago
You would now, but what if they had cost money in the first place? Like, you wouldn't have got used to their services for free for years? This is something people often forget when they are saying "of course I would pay money". The world would be a whole lot different place (not necessarily any better) if Google services cost money instead of gathering data and selling it forwards.
murukesh_s 9y ago
I think it's time a model will come up where you have an option to choose between an ad supported and paid version.
- downandout 9y ago
  Take a keyword like "mesothelioma". Are you going to personally reimburse Google for the $100 that an advertiser would pay them for your click that they will lose by not showing you an ad with this keyword?
  - cube2222 9y ago
    The average click is worth much less though. And the main idea of subscription based flat-priced services is that in average, you profit.
  - stjohnswarts 9y ago
    try 1 cent.
    - joshuamorton 9y ago
      While most Google searches aren't that valuable, there are specific searches (mesothelioma might be one, but I've heard local bail bonds and injury lawers) that have cpc in the range of $50-100. There's articles about this floating around.
modeless 9y ago
> actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. A lot of people say this. You already can pay for Gmail, Docs, Drive, Calendar, Photos, and YouTube. Are you paying for them?
- randomsearch 9y ago
  How do I pay?
  - modeless 9y ago
    G Suite for Gmail, Docs, Drive, Calendar + phone support + other stuff: https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html Or, Drive storage by itself, which applies to most products with storage quotas such as Gmail and Photos: https://www.google.com/drive/pricing/ https://www.google.com/drive/pricing/ For YouTube, YouTube Red: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6305537 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6305537 Another interesting experiment in the willingness of users to pay to remove ads is Google Contributor: https://contributor.google.com/ https://contributor.google.com/
    - scrollaway 9y ago
      To add to this, since I've started using GSuite for my personal account, I feel a hundred thousand times more comfortable with Google. 1. My Google identity is now my real email, the one tied to my real domain that I myself own. That's so much better. I can comfortably sign in/sign up with Google to other sites, have them tied to that email instead of my @gmail.com one. 2. I feel way more comfortable sharing every single detail of my life to Google. In fact, it turns what initially comes off as really creepy, into a useful life service because I'm now using things such as my map activity etc as a service I have a paid contract with Google for. And if I don't like it, I can hard disable the entire service. 3. I have access to a lot of stuff that regular free Google doesn't offer. Things such as undelete email/drive (which has been useful on a couple of accidental occasions), and, get this, support. Live chat and phone!
bowlich 9y ago
I already pay them $5 a month so I can use myname@mydomain.com for e-mail (I believe this also exempts my inbox from their ad-based data mining, but I could be wrong) I would gladly up that to $10 or $15 a month to extend that across all of Google's products (Youtube, Search, Maps etc.) and have advertising stripped from the whole thing and my "peronalization" data sandboxed so it doesn't get leaked to the "free" version. The difference that I see between FB and Google is that I would trust Google to get that right. I would expect FB to say they sandboxed or protected my data and then have it turn out in court in ten years that they did no such thing...
- stjohnswarts 9y ago
  can i just use "me@gmail.com" rather than some company name? I'd really just be paying for the knowledge that google isn't plowing through my data and sending it to 3rd parties. My company name is already associated with another host provider.

product50 9y ago

That is totally fair. My main point here was the users have to pay one way or the other. Either via more seeing more targeted ads, which sacrifices their privacy, or via real $$.

RandomException 9y ago

You would now, but what if they had cost money in the first place? Like, you wouldn't have got used to their services for free for years? This is something people often forget when they are saying "of course I would pay money". The world would be a whole lot different place (not necessarily any better) if Google services cost money instead of gathering data and selling it forwards.

murukesh_s 9y ago

I think it's time a model will come up where you have an option to choose between an ad supported and paid version.

downandout 9y ago
Take a keyword like "mesothelioma". Are you going to personally reimburse Google for the $100 that an advertiser would pay them for your click that they will lose by not showing you an ad with this keyword?
- cube2222 9y ago
  The average click is worth much less though. And the main idea of subscription based flat-priced services is that in average, you profit.
- stjohnswarts 9y ago
  try 1 cent.
  - joshuamorton 9y ago
    While most Google searches aren't that valuable, there are specific searches (mesothelioma might be one, but I've heard local bail bonds and injury lawers) that have cpc in the range of $50-100. There's articles about this floating around.

modeless 9y ago

> actually, I would pay to use most of Google's good services. A lot of people say this. You already can pay for Gmail, Docs, Drive, Calendar, Photos, and YouTube. Are you paying for them?

randomsearch 9y ago
How do I pay?
- modeless 9y ago
  G Suite for Gmail, Docs, Drive, Calendar + phone support + other stuff: https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html Or, Drive storage by itself, which applies to most products with storage quotas such as Gmail and Photos: https://www.google.com/drive/pricing/ https://www.google.com/drive/pricing/ For YouTube, YouTube Red: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6305537 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6305537 Another interesting experiment in the willingness of users to pay to remove ads is Google Contributor: https://contributor.google.com/ https://contributor.google.com/
  - scrollaway 9y ago
    To add to this, since I've started using GSuite for my personal account, I feel a hundred thousand times more comfortable with Google. 1. My Google identity is now my real email, the one tied to my real domain that I myself own. That's so much better. I can comfortably sign in/sign up with Google to other sites, have them tied to that email instead of my @gmail.com one. 2. I feel way more comfortable sharing every single detail of my life to Google. In fact, it turns what initially comes off as really creepy, into a useful life service because I'm now using things such as my map activity etc as a service I have a paid contract with Google for. And if I don't like it, I can hard disable the entire service. 3. I have access to a lot of stuff that regular free Google doesn't offer. Things such as undelete email/drive (which has been useful on a couple of accidental occasions), and, get this, support. Live chat and phone!

bowlich 9y ago

I already pay them $5 a month so I can use myname@mydomain.com for e-mail (I believe this also exempts my inbox from their ad-based data mining, but I could be wrong) I would gladly up that to $10 or $15 a month to extend that across all of Google's products (Youtube, Search, Maps etc.) and have advertising stripped from the whole thing and my "peronalization" data sandboxed so it doesn't get leaked to the "free" version. The difference that I see between FB and Google is that I would trust Google to get that right. I would expect FB to say they sandboxed or protected my data and then have it turn out in court in ten years that they did no such thing...

stjohnswarts 9y ago
can i just use "me@gmail.com" rather than some company name? I'd really just be paying for the knowledge that google isn't plowing through my data and sending it to 3rd parties. My company name is already associated with another host provider.