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I am not sure how Tesla's current situation is obvious. There is more demand and not much on inventory. No one has a decent autopilot (Driver assist) close to T

I am not sure how Tesla's current situation is obvious. There is more demand and not much on inventory. No one has a decent autopilot (Driver assist) close to Tesla and they have hardware ready for level 5 autonomy(or close to) . I feel this is the real luxury to have. They have largest fleet of vehicles passively collecting all the data to achieve self driving.

dangrossman 8y ago
Tesla's Autopilot seems to be little more than the same lane keeping and adaptive cruise control everyone else has with the safety tolerances lowered a whole lot, to the detriment of several dead drivers. You can readily buy other cars with the same EyeQ3 board that powered AutoPilot until Tesla's breakup with Mobileye, and their new Nvidia-based clone of it does little more than the original. The _hardware_ for level 5 autonomy is nothing proprietary or impressive, and they've shown zero evidence that the _software_ for level 5 autonomy exists in any state beyond the demo Nvidia hands its DRIVE PX2 customers essentially "out of the box". You're taking their marketing at face value while their EAP/FSD packages have largely been vaporware for 2.5 years now.
- maratd 8y ago
  > Tesla's Autopilot seems to be little more than the same lane keeping and adaptive cruise control everyone else has with the safety tolerances lowered a whole lot, to the detriment of several dead drivers. It seems that way to you because you haven't used the system. It is not operating with "tolerances lowered a whole lot" or really, at all. > You can readily buy other cars with the same EyeQ3 board that powered AutoPilot until Tesla's breakup with Mobileye, and their new Nvidia-based clone of it does little more than the original. It's quite silly to talk about the hardware when it's obvious that it's the software that will truly differentiate the systems. Tesla's system is much more impressive than anything else on the market because of the software involved for both hardware revisions. It is able to operate in environments where other systems fail and is able to do so reliably on more roads than their competition. > You're taking their marketing at face value while their EAP/FSD packages have largely been vaporware for 2.5 years now. You're correct here, but then again, the same can be said of their competitors.
  - legolas2412 8y ago
    > It is able to operate in environments where other systems fail and is able to do so reliably on more roads than their competition. Proof needed. Just because Tesla rolls out their software in risky situations and while other manufacturers play it safe doesnt mean that Tesla is more capable, they are just more riskful.
  - dangrossman 8y ago
    I have used the system, I disagree with your opinion about its capabilities. I think it is as I described it. I also don't think "the same can be said of their competitors" is at all true. I don't know any other car maker that is selling non-existent driver assistance features/packages to their customers.
  - dx034 8y ago
    I disagree. Systems from other manufacturers (BMW, Mercedes, Audi/VW) are as capable but they prevent you from using them above certain speeds for safety reasons. Tesla can do little more than lane assist and adaptive cruise control, as recent events have shown.
Fins 8y ago
Most any manufacturer has "autopilot" as good or better than Tesla's, they just prefer not killing their customers. What Tesla has is mindshare and marketing.
legolas2412 8y ago
> No one has a decent autopilot (Driver assist) close to Tesla and they have hardware ready for level 5 autonomy(or close to) Unsubstantiated claims. I don't buy tesla marketing as easily you have. Just because Tesla decided to hand over the driving reins to a lane keeping assist doesn't make it superior. It has killed and will kill people who think Tesla autopilot is anymore than a lane keeping assist that notifies you when you deviate from a lane.

dangrossman 8y ago

Tesla's Autopilot seems to be little more than the same lane keeping and adaptive cruise control everyone else has with the safety tolerances lowered a whole lot, to the detriment of several dead drivers. You can readily buy other cars with the same EyeQ3 board that powered AutoPilot until Tesla's breakup with Mobileye, and their new Nvidia-based clone of it does little more than the original. The _hardware_ for level 5 autonomy is nothing proprietary or impressive, and they've shown zero evidence that the _software_ for level 5 autonomy exists in any state beyond the demo Nvidia hands its DRIVE PX2 customers essentially "out of the box". You're taking their marketing at face value while their EAP/FSD packages have largely been vaporware for 2.5 years now.

maratd 8y ago
> Tesla's Autopilot seems to be little more than the same lane keeping and adaptive cruise control everyone else has with the safety tolerances lowered a whole lot, to the detriment of several dead drivers. It seems that way to you because you haven't used the system. It is not operating with "tolerances lowered a whole lot" or really, at all. > You can readily buy other cars with the same EyeQ3 board that powered AutoPilot until Tesla's breakup with Mobileye, and their new Nvidia-based clone of it does little more than the original. It's quite silly to talk about the hardware when it's obvious that it's the software that will truly differentiate the systems. Tesla's system is much more impressive than anything else on the market because of the software involved for both hardware revisions. It is able to operate in environments where other systems fail and is able to do so reliably on more roads than their competition. > You're taking their marketing at face value while their EAP/FSD packages have largely been vaporware for 2.5 years now. You're correct here, but then again, the same can be said of their competitors.
- legolas2412 8y ago
  > It is able to operate in environments where other systems fail and is able to do so reliably on more roads than their competition. Proof needed. Just because Tesla rolls out their software in risky situations and while other manufacturers play it safe doesnt mean that Tesla is more capable, they are just more riskful.
- dangrossman 8y ago
  I have used the system, I disagree with your opinion about its capabilities. I think it is as I described it. I also don't think "the same can be said of their competitors" is at all true. I don't know any other car maker that is selling non-existent driver assistance features/packages to their customers.
- dx034 8y ago
  I disagree. Systems from other manufacturers (BMW, Mercedes, Audi/VW) are as capable but they prevent you from using them above certain speeds for safety reasons. Tesla can do little more than lane assist and adaptive cruise control, as recent events have shown.

Fins 8y ago

Most any manufacturer has "autopilot" as good or better than Tesla's, they just prefer not killing their customers. What Tesla has is mindshare and marketing.

legolas2412 8y ago

> No one has a decent autopilot (Driver assist) close to Tesla and they have hardware ready for level 5 autonomy(or close to) Unsubstantiated claims. I don't buy tesla marketing as easily you have. Just because Tesla decided to hand over the driving reins to a lane keeping assist doesn't make it superior. It has killed and will kill people who think Tesla autopilot is anymore than a lane keeping assist that notifies you when you deviate from a lane.