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> Nobody is driven insane by LSD - they had to already be insane, and it would bring it out more I really, really, don't want to write this because I'm a very

> Nobody is driven insane by LSD - they had to already be insane, and it would bring it out more I really, really, don't want to write this because I'm a very drug friendly person. I personally don't do drugs except alcohol (I know how horrible it is, but I have anxiety problems) but I am ok with all sorts of drugs as long as there is scientific evidence it improves your life. Having said that, your quote up there is wrong, I know at least one datapoint. In my freshman semester in Berkeley my roommates tripped with LSD (I was sober and their sitter). Everything went well. However, the second time we did the same thing unfortunately one of my roommates absolutely berzerk and did things I cannot even begin to write here without getting banned. It involved violence, nudity, disgusting human fluids, you name it... Cops were ultimately involved since we couldn't stop him and he was about to harm himself by harming strangers. He ended up fine because he didn't harm anyone, just embarassed himself deeply. In fact, he had no repercussions other than having to live with the fact that he did all that stuff. Was this person insane in the first place? No, I lived 4 years of my life with this guy and he was one of the smartest, most intelligent people I've ever met. I don't know what it means to be "crazy" maybe he had psychological problems inside his head, but as far as we know he didn't have such problems. He went to a psychologist, but as far as we know, it was a fabrication to be prescribed Ritalin and Adderall. So, overall, it did not seem like he had any psychological problems. His experience affected me really deeply. I never got to do drugs I wanted (LSD and psilocybin). I don't want to give the message that "LSD is bad". No LSD is probably an awesome drug. But I really don't think "LSD can't make you crazy if you weren't in the first place". It's probably 1 in a million chance, but not impossible.

pmoriarty 9y ago
"Was this person insane in the first place? No, I lived 4 years of my life with this guy and he was one of the smartest, most intelligent people I've ever met." Intelligent people can have mental issues. They can be really good at hiding them too -- both from other people and sometimes even from themselves. I've read over and over again of people living together for decades, and one day they find out that the other person is a serial killer or an abuser or some other sort of criminal, and they had no idea, even after living their whole lives with them. People are really good at deceiving each other, and often the people closest to them are just in denial, and either overlook or make excuses for behavior and signs that sometime look worrisome in retrospect or when seen by people who aren't so involved. Psychedelics, especially at large doses, are certainly not without risks. Some people just aren't ready to face what they might reveal. Many people also don't treat them with much respect, viewing them merely as party drugs or sometimes even destructively. There are ways to use them constructively, and ways of maximizing the chances of having a productive experience and of integrating what one learned during that experience back in to one's ordinary life. For specific recommendations on maximizing the positive potential of psychedelics I'd recommend reading "The Secret Chief Revealed" and "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide": https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chief-Revealed-Myron-Stolaroff/dp/0966001966/ https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chief-Revealed-Myron-Stolaroff... https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeutic-Journeys/dp/1594774021/ https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeut...
HIPisTheAnswer 9y ago
> "LSD can't make you crazy if you weren't in the first place" It can't. There have been some very good research done which show that the society we currently live in is completely insane, which implies that almost anyone living in this society is mad. I really enjoyed 'Characer analysis' by Wilhelm Reich - very good stuff - in which he showed that the facist society we live in has turned us against ourselves. LSD and its brothers will break the 'emotional armor' that people have build up to supress their emotion to survive the facism of their family/classroom/workplace. Releasing too much emotion at once can very easily harm people. So I am not backing off my claim, but I'll admit that since mose people are insane, LSD is potentially dangerous for most people. Did you friend have a very rich sexual life when the incident happend? I'm not asking you to answer here obviously, but I'm almost certain he did not.
- gnulinux 9y ago
  > Did you friend have a very rich sexual life when the incident happend? I'm not asking you to answer here obviously, but I'm almost certain he did not. No I don't think he had sex before that incident. But how would that affect his trip. As I wrote above, his first trip (which was about 6 months before the second one) was really fun for him.
  - HIPisTheAnswer 9y ago
    You can read the book I mentioned, it's all in there.

pmoriarty 9y ago

"Was this person insane in the first place? No, I lived 4 years of my life with this guy and he was one of the smartest, most intelligent people I've ever met." Intelligent people can have mental issues. They can be really good at hiding them too -- both from other people and sometimes even from themselves. I've read over and over again of people living together for decades, and one day they find out that the other person is a serial killer or an abuser or some other sort of criminal, and they had no idea, even after living their whole lives with them. People are really good at deceiving each other, and often the people closest to them are just in denial, and either overlook or make excuses for behavior and signs that sometime look worrisome in retrospect or when seen by people who aren't so involved. Psychedelics, especially at large doses, are certainly not without risks. Some people just aren't ready to face what they might reveal. Many people also don't treat them with much respect, viewing them merely as party drugs or sometimes even destructively. There are ways to use them constructively, and ways of maximizing the chances of having a productive experience and of integrating what one learned during that experience back in to one's ordinary life. For specific recommendations on maximizing the positive potential of psychedelics I'd recommend reading "The Secret Chief Revealed" and "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide": https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chief-Revealed-Myron-Stolaroff/dp/0966001966/ https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Chief-Revealed-Myron-Stolaroff... https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeutic-Journeys/dp/1594774021/ https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeut...

HIPisTheAnswer 9y ago

> "LSD can't make you crazy if you weren't in the first place" It can't. There have been some very good research done which show that the society we currently live in is completely insane, which implies that almost anyone living in this society is mad. I really enjoyed 'Characer analysis' by Wilhelm Reich - very good stuff - in which he showed that the facist society we live in has turned us against ourselves. LSD and its brothers will break the 'emotional armor' that people have build up to supress their emotion to survive the facism of their family/classroom/workplace. Releasing too much emotion at once can very easily harm people. So I am not backing off my claim, but I'll admit that since mose people are insane, LSD is potentially dangerous for most people. Did you friend have a very rich sexual life when the incident happend? I'm not asking you to answer here obviously, but I'm almost certain he did not.

gnulinux 9y ago
> Did you friend have a very rich sexual life when the incident happend? I'm not asking you to answer here obviously, but I'm almost certain he did not. No I don't think he had sex before that incident. But how would that affect his trip. As I wrote above, his first trip (which was about 6 months before the second one) was really fun for him.
- HIPisTheAnswer 9y ago
  You can read the book I mentioned, it's all in there.