2 ms·

I read through your first link, and I don't see how I could take it seriously. Here is a link to the original tweet from Wikileaks, as shown on archive.is. ht

by IncRnd 9y ago

I read through your first link, and I don't see how I could take it seriously. Here is a link to the original tweet from Wikileaks, as shown on archive.is. https://archive.is/5g8LF https://archive.is/5g8LF The link you posted to slate relies upon ((( and ))) around people's names being some nefarious anti-jew meaning. When, in reality, this was the actual tweet: "Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers? Most of our critics have 3 (((brackets around their names))) & have black-rim glasses. Bizarre." Relying upon that sort of cruft just isn't convincing.

rspeer 9y ago
Oh my god, you can't possibly be that sheltered.
- IncRnd 9y ago
  I must hang with a different crowd that doesn't add a specific # of parentheses to send dog-whistle messages. You should ask yourself, was the tweet wrong? Did the people who it referenced all have their names surrounded by ((( and )))? That would in fact be bizarre.
  - rspeer 9y ago
    Let me spell it out for you. It's fine to be unaware of a particular trend, but it's not fine to continue to be unaware and to disbelieve it when you read an article that directly points it out. * Neo-Nazis invented the "echoes" meme, where when saying the name of a Jewish person in a podcast they would add a sinister echo effect, or in text they would add three parentheses around it. * Jewish people and others on Twitter reclaimed the parentheses in a positive sense. * WikiLeaks is referring to the fact that people that complain about them are Jewish, not a random bizarre coincidence about punctuation.
  - roywiggins 9y ago
    The echoes meme comes from a neonazi podcast who would play an echo sound effect behind every single mention of a Jewish sounding name. When people on Twitter put the (()) around their own names, they are intentionally marking themselves as Jewish so as to raise a middle finger to the neonazis who started the meme. So if someone references "people with (()) around their name", they're talking about Jews. That's who puts (()) around their own names on Twitter.
    - IncRnd 9y ago
      Thank you!
    - iamnothere 9y ago
      It's actually more complicated than that. At the time (2016), most of the people who used the brackets for their own names were pro-establishment political types who wanted to make a public stand against the neo-Nazis. This included many people who were not Jews, in fact my own perception in 2016 was that most of the people who chose to use the brackets at the time were not in fact Jewish. As part of the daily conversation, WikiLeaks understood this! This totally changes the intent of the WikiLeaks tweet. My impression of the tweet has always been that they were skewering the mainstream political commentator class, who they perceive as being both virtue signaling (hence the brackets) and fashionably "intellectual" (hence the glasses). Was it a stupid tweet, prone to misunderstanding? Absolutely. But one vague tweet does not justify labeling a person or organization as anti-Semitic.

by IncRnd 9y ago

rspeer 9y ago

Oh my god, you can't possibly be that sheltered.

IncRnd 9y ago
I must hang with a different crowd that doesn't add a specific # of parentheses to send dog-whistle messages. You should ask yourself, was the tweet wrong? Did the people who it referenced all have their names surrounded by ((( and )))? That would in fact be bizarre.
- rspeer 9y ago
  Let me spell it out for you. It's fine to be unaware of a particular trend, but it's not fine to continue to be unaware and to disbelieve it when you read an article that directly points it out. * Neo-Nazis invented the "echoes" meme, where when saying the name of a Jewish person in a podcast they would add a sinister echo effect, or in text they would add three parentheses around it. * Jewish people and others on Twitter reclaimed the parentheses in a positive sense. * WikiLeaks is referring to the fact that people that complain about them are Jewish, not a random bizarre coincidence about punctuation.
- roywiggins 9y ago
  The echoes meme comes from a neonazi podcast who would play an echo sound effect behind every single mention of a Jewish sounding name. When people on Twitter put the (()) around their own names, they are intentionally marking themselves as Jewish so as to raise a middle finger to the neonazis who started the meme. So if someone references "people with (()) around their name", they're talking about Jews. That's who puts (()) around their own names on Twitter.
  - IncRnd 9y ago
    Thank you!
  - iamnothere 9y ago
    It's actually more complicated than that. At the time (2016), most of the people who used the brackets for their own names were pro-establishment political types who wanted to make a public stand against the neo-Nazis. This included many people who were not Jews, in fact my own perception in 2016 was that most of the people who chose to use the brackets at the time were not in fact Jewish. As part of the daily conversation, WikiLeaks understood this! This totally changes the intent of the WikiLeaks tweet. My impression of the tweet has always been that they were skewering the mainstream political commentator class, who they perceive as being both virtue signaling (hence the brackets) and fashionably "intellectual" (hence the glasses). Was it a stupid tweet, prone to misunderstanding? Absolutely. But one vague tweet does not justify labeling a person or organization as anti-Semitic.