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> Where, precisely... Right here, clear as day: "We collect information from or about the computers, phones, or other devices where you install or access our S
by throwawayjava 8y ago
> Where, precisely...
Right here, clear as day: "We collect information from or about the computers, phones, or other devices where you install or access our Services, depending on the permissions you’ve granted"
Also notice that if they have that data, you explicitly gave permission to access phone/SMS data in the app install process; i.e., you granted those permissions.
> ...steal...
Again, that's the problem! Facebook didn't STEAL that data. They took it with your permission. And they were actually very clear in their policies about the fact that they could take pretty much anything you gave them device premissions to access.
This is NOT a "users can't understand legalese" issue. It's very clear from the above sentence in the data policy that Facebook has the right to record arbitrary shit off of your phone/computer.
This IS a "users don't care and don't have any data clawback rights" issue. Or perhaps a "users are too trusting" issue. But any high schooler could interpret the above sentence as meaning that Facebook does, technically, have the right to collect any information from your phone if you give device permissions.
The distinction is important because it determines appropriate solutions. The solution is NOT making ToS easier to read. The solution is stronger consumer data rights (aka a mechanism to clawback data after the fact) and better consumer education (aka be paranoid)
If you think that merely making ToS easier to read and understand will substantially change consumer behavior, you're in for lots of disappointment.
- x0x0 8y agoNo, it's not clear at all, and wasn't clear to virtually anyone who agreed to it.
- throwawayjava 8y agoCare to propose a rephrasing that's more clear? If the average person can't understand the meaning of that sentence, the only real solution is to improve K-12 English teaching. > and wasn't clear to virtually anyone who agreed to it Virtually everyone who agreed to it never bothered to even try to read the policy in the first place. So, really, what difference does that make? Again, the fundamental point is that chasing ToS clarity/readability/length is a losing battle. The majority of consumers don't care enough to read, no matter how simple you make things. Improving this metric won't make a difference. This issue is a red herring. Focus efforts elsewhere: consumer education and consumer rights.