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Right... And don't forget the part about how your privacy is important to them and they think about it a lot.

by rdiddly 9y ago

verelo 9y ago
The tech industries proverbial "thoughts and prayers"
- TAForObvReasons 9y ago
  Most of the HN community despises regulations against tech companies, but it seems like nothing short of strong regulations and severe financial penalties will rein in the bad actors. We can't expect the companies and their CEOs to act out of the goodness of anything save for their pocketbooks. We've lost the presumption of good faith
  - tudorconstantin 9y ago
    I think bad PR and vicious backlash from the consumers against foul play is a stronger deterrent than some one time fines.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
      It's arguable whether bad PR and vicious backlash are working, or happening. As evidence I present... well, here we are. Edit: added a word
      - TAForObvReasons 9y ago
        When it did work, like when Bill O'Reilly was pushed out of Fox News, the PR and public outrage aligned with a large faction within the company. It's a lot easier to push out or target individual bad actors than to reform the whole corporate structure.
      - akshat_h 9y ago
        I think there are no 'obvious' repercussions to the privacy and security issues that are affecting the general public. For example, lots of companies have been hacked(Target, Equifax), and AFAIK there hasn't been credit card fraud on massive scale that has been reported in the media. It kinda makes people think that media is over inflating the issue(which it lots of time does), and just not care. We have been hearing about how this data will be used to say deny loans etc. but nothing has happened. I mean even Snowden spying scandal just revealed the extensive spying. What exactly are the agencies doing with the data and how that negatively impacts me is not really clear for a general person. And I am speaking as somewhat tech literate person. Why exactly would an average person care? Giving up privacy has, I think, almost become 'normal'
    - webkike 9y ago
      Why not both?
    - rocqua 9y ago
      Yes, but the mechanism need not be "voting with your wallet". Instead, I put forward the mechanism "voting by voting". That is, such vicious backlash gets picked up by politicians, who act on it with regulation.
    - emilsedgh 9y ago
      How do you out-PR Facebook which is the biggest PR machine, in the long run? The worst PR issue Facebook has in Zuckerburg. Worst case scenario, he steps away and they hire a new likable CEO with a higher EQ. That's exactly what Uber did.
    - RaleyField 9y ago
      Nothing happened last 100 megabreaches, why would now be any different? The public doesn't care. Only media cares and only because Trump benefited.
benevol 9y ago
And the part where you are a dumb fuck for continuing to play along anyway. [0] [0] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...
- bllguo 9y ago
  This really annoys me. That was well over a decade ago. There is so much to criticize FB for right now. Do we really need to be so petty and oversensitive to always bring up an offhand remark he made as a college student?
  - drawnwren 9y ago
    Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now, and that his actions still seem to support that position -- it's at least relevant. Deleting all Facebook executive messages by exception alone makes me think this wasn't the worst thing that could have been found.
    - forapurpose 9y ago
      > Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now I don't get it - he knows what our private conversations look like. Why don't we know his?
      - dTal 9y ago
        Now you're getting it! He also spent 43 million dollars buying all his neighbor's houses, in order to tear them down, and tapes his webcam. For a guy who supposedly believes privacy is dead, he sure does value it.
        908087 9y ago
        Don't forget his Hawaiian privacy retreat, which last I heard he was building a massive wall around.
borplk 9y ago
Mark "hears you". He has it on a note to always remember it.
liberte82 9y ago
And the part where HN folks start complaining about it's super obvious and everyone who uses any internet service should clearly know that all of their data is going to be used for any and all nefarious purposes we could imagine, you moron.

Right... And don't forget the part about how your privacy is important to them and they think about it a lot.

verelo 9y ago

The tech industries proverbial "thoughts and prayers"

TAForObvReasons 9y ago
Most of the HN community despises regulations against tech companies, but it seems like nothing short of strong regulations and severe financial penalties will rein in the bad actors. We can't expect the companies and their CEOs to act out of the goodness of anything save for their pocketbooks. We've lost the presumption of good faith
- tudorconstantin 9y ago
  I think bad PR and vicious backlash from the consumers against foul play is a stronger deterrent than some one time fines.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    It's arguable whether bad PR and vicious backlash are working, or happening. As evidence I present... well, here we are. Edit: added a word
    - TAForObvReasons 9y ago
      When it did work, like when Bill O'Reilly was pushed out of Fox News, the PR and public outrage aligned with a large faction within the company. It's a lot easier to push out or target individual bad actors than to reform the whole corporate structure.
    - akshat_h 9y ago
      I think there are no 'obvious' repercussions to the privacy and security issues that are affecting the general public. For example, lots of companies have been hacked(Target, Equifax), and AFAIK there hasn't been credit card fraud on massive scale that has been reported in the media. It kinda makes people think that media is over inflating the issue(which it lots of time does), and just not care. We have been hearing about how this data will be used to say deny loans etc. but nothing has happened. I mean even Snowden spying scandal just revealed the extensive spying. What exactly are the agencies doing with the data and how that negatively impacts me is not really clear for a general person. And I am speaking as somewhat tech literate person. Why exactly would an average person care? Giving up privacy has, I think, almost become 'normal'
  - webkike 9y ago
    Why not both?
  - rocqua 9y ago
    Yes, but the mechanism need not be "voting with your wallet". Instead, I put forward the mechanism "voting by voting". That is, such vicious backlash gets picked up by politicians, who act on it with regulation.
  - emilsedgh 9y ago
    How do you out-PR Facebook which is the biggest PR machine, in the long run? The worst PR issue Facebook has in Zuckerburg. Worst case scenario, he steps away and they hire a new likable CEO with a higher EQ. That's exactly what Uber did.
  - RaleyField 9y ago
    Nothing happened last 100 megabreaches, why would now be any different? The public doesn't care. Only media cares and only because Trump benefited.

benevol 9y ago

And the part where you are a dumb fuck for continuing to play along anyway. [0] [0] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...

bllguo 9y ago
This really annoys me. That was well over a decade ago. There is so much to criticize FB for right now. Do we really need to be so petty and oversensitive to always bring up an offhand remark he made as a college student?
- drawnwren 9y ago
  Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now, and that his actions still seem to support that position -- it's at least relevant. Deleting all Facebook executive messages by exception alone makes me think this wasn't the worst thing that could have been found.
  - forapurpose 9y ago
    > Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now I don't get it - he knows what our private conversations look like. Why don't we know his?
    - dTal 9y ago
      Now you're getting it! He also spent 43 million dollars buying all his neighbor's houses, in order to tear them down, and tapes his webcam. For a guy who supposedly believes privacy is dead, he sure does value it.
      - 908087 9y ago
        Don't forget his Hawaiian privacy retreat, which last I heard he was building a massive wall around.

borplk 9y ago

Mark "hears you". He has it on a note to always remember it.

liberte82 9y ago

And the part where HN folks start complaining about it's super obvious and everyone who uses any internet service should clearly know that all of their data is going to be used for any and all nefarious purposes we could imagine, you moron.