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To save time, they can already put out the PR release saying that they're sorry, that they didn't expect this, that anyway everything is very clear in paragraph

by rinze 8y ago

To save time, they can already put out the PR release saying that they're sorry, that they didn't expect this, that anyway everything is very clear in paragraph 2.4.5.C.& of the Terms & Conditions, and that it won't happen again.

rdiddly 8y ago
Right... And don't forget the part about how your privacy is important to them and they think about it a lot.
- verelo 8y ago
  The tech industries proverbial "thoughts and prayers"
  - TAForObvReasons 8y ago
    Most of the HN community despises regulations against tech companies, but it seems like nothing short of strong regulations and severe financial penalties will rein in the bad actors. We can't expect the companies and their CEOs to act out of the goodness of anything save for their pocketbooks. We've lost the presumption of good faith
    - tudorconstantin 8y ago
      I think bad PR and vicious backlash from the consumers against foul play is a stronger deterrent than some one time fines.
      - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
        It's arguable whether bad PR and vicious backlash are working, or happening. As evidence I present... well, here we are. Edit: added a word
        TAForObvReasons 8y ago
        When it did work, like when Bill O'Reilly was pushed out of Fox News, the PR and public outrage aligned with a large faction within the company. It's a lot easier to push out or target individual bad actors than to reform the whole corporate structure.
        akshat_h 8y ago
        I think there are no 'obvious' repercussions to the privacy and security issues that are affecting the general public. For example, lots of companies have been hacked(Target, Equifax), and AFAIK there hasn't been credit card fraud on massive scale that has been reported in the media. It kinda makes people think that media is over inflating the issue(which it lots of time does), and just not care. We have been hearing about how this data will be used to say deny loans etc. but nothing has happened. I mean even Snowden spying scandal just revealed the extensive spying. What exactly are the agencies doing with the data and how that negatively impacts me is not really clear for a general person. And I am speaking as somewhat tech literate person. Why exactly would an average person care? Giving up privacy has, I think, almost become 'normal'
      - webkike 8y ago
        Why not both?
      - rocqua 8y ago
        Yes, but the mechanism need not be "voting with your wallet". Instead, I put forward the mechanism "voting by voting". That is, such vicious backlash gets picked up by politicians, who act on it with regulation.
      - emilsedgh 8y ago
        How do you out-PR Facebook which is the biggest PR machine, in the long run? The worst PR issue Facebook has in Zuckerburg. Worst case scenario, he steps away and they hire a new likable CEO with a higher EQ. That's exactly what Uber did.
      - RaleyField 8y ago
        Nothing happened last 100 megabreaches, why would now be any different? The public doesn't care. Only media cares and only because Trump benefited.
- benevol 8y ago
  And the part where you are a dumb fuck for continuing to play along anyway. [0] [0] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...
  - bllguo 8y ago
    This really annoys me. That was well over a decade ago. There is so much to criticize FB for right now. Do we really need to be so petty and oversensitive to always bring up an offhand remark he made as a college student?
    - drawnwren 8y ago
      Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now, and that his actions still seem to support that position -- it's at least relevant. Deleting all Facebook executive messages by exception alone makes me think this wasn't the worst thing that could have been found.
      - forapurpose 8y ago
        > Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now I don't get it - he knows what our private conversations look like. Why don't we know his?
        dTal 8y ago
        Now you're getting it! He also spent 43 million dollars buying all his neighbor's houses, in order to tear them down, and tapes his webcam. For a guy who supposedly believes privacy is dead, he sure does value it.
        908087 8y ago
        Don't forget his Hawaiian privacy retreat, which last I heard he was building a massive wall around.
- borplk 8y ago
  Mark "hears you". He has it on a note to always remember it.
- liberte82 8y ago
  And the part where HN folks start complaining about it's super obvious and everyone who uses any internet service should clearly know that all of their data is going to be used for any and all nefarious purposes we could imagine, you moron.
21 8y ago
And most importantly, they don't sell user data, so you can sleep tight.
- zentiggr 8y ago
  Exactly, giving it away to anyone who signs up isn't _selling_ it.
fwdpropaganda 8y ago
But at least it will make the world more connected.
SonicSoul 8y ago
and that they are only doing this to provide even more meaningful value for the Facebook community
- ethbro 8y ago
  'Our mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together. People use Facebook to stay connected with friends and family, to discover what's going on in the world, and to share and express what matters to them.' We believe these changes further our goal of creating a product that is used and loved by the world, and that the best way to do that is for a price everyone can afford -- free.
- taysic 8y ago
  and to "compete with China" according to the recent hearing.
trumped 8y ago
Could it be automated? that would really save time... for Facebook.
- RaleyField 8y ago
  Can I apply to YC if I turn this text into a template? Fortune 500 company right here.
  - trumped 8y ago
    sure, I'll take 0.001% if you don't mind.
fahadkhan 8y ago
And 99.999% of Facebook users won't care. Most of those that do, can't leave Facebook because of "events." The rest of us will keep preaching to each other about how we're in a better place having never been of Facebook or having deleted our accounts.
iagooar 8y ago
Not that it won't happen again, but that "if we can't make sure we can make people's data be safe, we don't deserve the to be our customers".

by rinze 8y ago

rdiddly 8y ago

Right... And don't forget the part about how your privacy is important to them and they think about it a lot.

verelo 8y ago
The tech industries proverbial "thoughts and prayers"
- TAForObvReasons 8y ago
  Most of the HN community despises regulations against tech companies, but it seems like nothing short of strong regulations and severe financial penalties will rein in the bad actors. We can't expect the companies and their CEOs to act out of the goodness of anything save for their pocketbooks. We've lost the presumption of good faith
  - tudorconstantin 8y ago
    I think bad PR and vicious backlash from the consumers against foul play is a stronger deterrent than some one time fines.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
      It's arguable whether bad PR and vicious backlash are working, or happening. As evidence I present... well, here we are. Edit: added a word
      - TAForObvReasons 8y ago
        When it did work, like when Bill O'Reilly was pushed out of Fox News, the PR and public outrage aligned with a large faction within the company. It's a lot easier to push out or target individual bad actors than to reform the whole corporate structure.
      - akshat_h 8y ago
        I think there are no 'obvious' repercussions to the privacy and security issues that are affecting the general public. For example, lots of companies have been hacked(Target, Equifax), and AFAIK there hasn't been credit card fraud on massive scale that has been reported in the media. It kinda makes people think that media is over inflating the issue(which it lots of time does), and just not care. We have been hearing about how this data will be used to say deny loans etc. but nothing has happened. I mean even Snowden spying scandal just revealed the extensive spying. What exactly are the agencies doing with the data and how that negatively impacts me is not really clear for a general person. And I am speaking as somewhat tech literate person. Why exactly would an average person care? Giving up privacy has, I think, almost become 'normal'
    - webkike 8y ago
      Why not both?
    - rocqua 8y ago
      Yes, but the mechanism need not be "voting with your wallet". Instead, I put forward the mechanism "voting by voting". That is, such vicious backlash gets picked up by politicians, who act on it with regulation.
    - emilsedgh 8y ago
      How do you out-PR Facebook which is the biggest PR machine, in the long run? The worst PR issue Facebook has in Zuckerburg. Worst case scenario, he steps away and they hire a new likable CEO with a higher EQ. That's exactly what Uber did.
    - RaleyField 8y ago
      Nothing happened last 100 megabreaches, why would now be any different? The public doesn't care. Only media cares and only because Trump benefited.
benevol 8y ago
And the part where you are a dumb fuck for continuing to play along anyway. [0] [0] http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-use...
- bllguo 8y ago
  This really annoys me. That was well over a decade ago. There is so much to criticize FB for right now. Do we really need to be so petty and oversensitive to always bring up an offhand remark he made as a college student?
  - drawnwren 8y ago
    Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now, and that his actions still seem to support that position -- it's at least relevant. Deleting all Facebook executive messages by exception alone makes me think this wasn't the worst thing that could have been found.
    - forapurpose 8y ago
      > Given that we don't know what his private conversations look like now I don't get it - he knows what our private conversations look like. Why don't we know his?
      - dTal 8y ago
        Now you're getting it! He also spent 43 million dollars buying all his neighbor's houses, in order to tear them down, and tapes his webcam. For a guy who supposedly believes privacy is dead, he sure does value it.
        908087 8y ago
        Don't forget his Hawaiian privacy retreat, which last I heard he was building a massive wall around.
borplk 8y ago
Mark "hears you". He has it on a note to always remember it.
liberte82 8y ago
And the part where HN folks start complaining about it's super obvious and everyone who uses any internet service should clearly know that all of their data is going to be used for any and all nefarious purposes we could imagine, you moron.

21 8y ago

And most importantly, they don't sell user data, so you can sleep tight.

zentiggr 8y ago
Exactly, giving it away to anyone who signs up isn't _selling_ it.

fwdpropaganda 8y ago

But at least it will make the world more connected.

SonicSoul 8y ago

and that they are only doing this to provide even more meaningful value for the Facebook community

ethbro 8y ago
'Our mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together. People use Facebook to stay connected with friends and family, to discover what's going on in the world, and to share and express what matters to them.' We believe these changes further our goal of creating a product that is used and loved by the world, and that the best way to do that is for a price everyone can afford -- free.
taysic 8y ago
and to "compete with China" according to the recent hearing.

trumped 8y ago

Could it be automated? that would really save time... for Facebook.

RaleyField 8y ago
Can I apply to YC if I turn this text into a template? Fortune 500 company right here.
- trumped 8y ago
  sure, I'll take 0.001% if you don't mind.

fahadkhan 8y ago

And 99.999% of Facebook users won't care. Most of those that do, can't leave Facebook because of "events." The rest of us will keep preaching to each other about how we're in a better place having never been of Facebook or having deleted our accounts.

iagooar 8y ago

Not that it won't happen again, but that "if we can't make sure we can make people's data be safe, we don't deserve the to be our customers".