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When exactly did it enter the public consciousness that drunk people are unable to give consent? I feel if this is true, there are many drunken hookups that bec

When exactly did it enter the public consciousness that drunk people are unable to give consent? I feel if this is true, there are many drunken hookups that become questionable. I'm in my mid-30s, and I feel this concept wasn't really a thing in my clubbing days.

ams6110 9y ago
Obama's 2011 Title IX "Dear Colleague" letter was a big part of it, establishing the lowest standard of proof in claims of sexual assault on college campuses. Schools responded by saying, effectively, that if you have sex with someone who's had a drink, and that person later regrets it, regardless of what they might have told you at the time, you have no defense. It's all ridiculous because universities have no competence in investigating or adjudicating such claims, but that's another topic. So anyone who was in college in the past 10 years will have had drummed into their heads that there is no consent possible by an intoxicated person.
- AnthonyMouse 9y ago
  > So anyone who was in college in the past 10 years will have had drummed into their heads that there is no consent possible by an intoxicated person. Which creates all kinds of weird outcomes when both parties were equally drunk.
  - haZard_OS 9y ago
    Well, it would if logic were the overarching guideline on these topics. As it stands, the male is presumed guilty on college campuses when both parties are drunk and he must then meet a draconian burden of proof to extricate himself from the situation. At least, that has been my experience.
ashelmire 9y ago
Your own ignorance of the law and unawareness of what constituted consent at the time does not reflect on the state of society at the time. It was always illegal and immoral to have sex with someone who was very drunk (at least, well before either of us was born). The line was and is not always clear, but there have always been clear cases (e.g. having sex with someone who has passed out or drugged is obviously illegal and immoral). Similarly, legal contracts require a meeting of the minds, which requires that parties not be intoxicated. A quick search suggests such contracts are not void by default but are voidable.
astura 9y ago
You've never heard "alcohol is the most common date rape drug?"
- liberte82 9y ago
  nope, or at least I didn't back in my drinking days. it was just normal for people to get wasted and hook up. does that not happen anymore?

ams6110 9y ago

Obama's 2011 Title IX "Dear Colleague" letter was a big part of it, establishing the lowest standard of proof in claims of sexual assault on college campuses. Schools responded by saying, effectively, that if you have sex with someone who's had a drink, and that person later regrets it, regardless of what they might have told you at the time, you have no defense. It's all ridiculous because universities have no competence in investigating or adjudicating such claims, but that's another topic. So anyone who was in college in the past 10 years will have had drummed into their heads that there is no consent possible by an intoxicated person.

AnthonyMouse 9y ago
> So anyone who was in college in the past 10 years will have had drummed into their heads that there is no consent possible by an intoxicated person. Which creates all kinds of weird outcomes when both parties were equally drunk.
- haZard_OS 9y ago
  Well, it would if logic were the overarching guideline on these topics. As it stands, the male is presumed guilty on college campuses when both parties are drunk and he must then meet a draconian burden of proof to extricate himself from the situation. At least, that has been my experience.

ashelmire 9y ago

Your own ignorance of the law and unawareness of what constituted consent at the time does not reflect on the state of society at the time. It was always illegal and immoral to have sex with someone who was very drunk (at least, well before either of us was born). The line was and is not always clear, but there have always been clear cases (e.g. having sex with someone who has passed out or drugged is obviously illegal and immoral). Similarly, legal contracts require a meeting of the minds, which requires that parties not be intoxicated. A quick search suggests such contracts are not void by default but are voidable.

astura 9y ago

You've never heard "alcohol is the most common date rape drug?"

liberte82 9y ago
nope, or at least I didn't back in my drinking days. it was just normal for people to get wasted and hook up. does that not happen anymore?