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In my hometown it was very common for people to build their own house twenty years ago, ignoring all kind of permits. A lot of people worked in construction or

by narag 9y ago

In my hometown it was very common for people to build their own house twenty years ago, ignoring all kind of permits. A lot of people worked in construction or were plumbers, painters... they worked patiently in the weekends and with a little help from friends, only sprinting at the moment of the concrete injection. Even if the houses were illegal (there's an interesting background on why people takes that risk) the quality of the build and regulations compliance were OK, since the process is the same and done by the same people that builds legal houses. Now there is a political nightmare around this question, but that's another story.

rospaya 9y ago
I see you're Spanish, but it was the same in Croatia. People built houses over a few weeks. In the 70s it was fairly normal to get some friends, call in some favors and build a summer house - illegally of course. The old generation of houses has been legalized so the government got a fast influx of money, but a lot of them are ecological disasters and still stand.
- narag 9y ago
  That sounds so familiar. Except houses built weren't summer houses but primary homes and it was happening very recently, maybe it's still happening? Legalization in our case is still a hot topic. There is a local party for people with illegal houses.
JorgeGT 9y ago
> there's an interesting background on why people takes that risk At least in some cases, the reason was that paying the fine was quicker and maybe even cheaper than going through the municipal bureaucracy. People would even denounce themselves once the construction was finished.
- narag 9y ago
  Any time frame is quicker than waiting forever. More a problem of infrastructure than one of bureaucracy. The town had plenty of land available. Data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclana_de_la_Frontera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclana_de_la_Frontera But unless you owned 1 ha, regulations required an urbanization project. There weren't enough of them to cover a population that doubled in fifty years.
dsego 9y ago
Haha, same in croatia (and other ex-yu countries), and there's plenty of infrastructure problems as a result. Just look at these 'favelas' in my town. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5222778,16.4766439,3a,75y,231.34h,90.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4EakaXJyMqtXTrjPE8Sn6A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D4EakaXJyMqtXTrjPE8Sn6A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.89323%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5222778,16.4766439,3a,75y,23... Or this guy in Bosnia that built a two-story house on top of a residential building. https://www.fokus.ba/vijesti/bih/kako-je-safet-na-zgradi-u-zenici-napravio-kucu-dvospratnicu-foto/1039301/ https://www.fokus.ba/vijesti/bih/kako-je-safet-na-zgradi-u-z... Ah, it's the Balkans after all.

by narag 9y ago

rospaya 9y ago

I see you're Spanish, but it was the same in Croatia. People built houses over a few weeks. In the 70s it was fairly normal to get some friends, call in some favors and build a summer house - illegally of course. The old generation of houses has been legalized so the government got a fast influx of money, but a lot of them are ecological disasters and still stand.

narag 9y ago
That sounds so familiar. Except houses built weren't summer houses but primary homes and it was happening very recently, maybe it's still happening? Legalization in our case is still a hot topic. There is a local party for people with illegal houses.

JorgeGT 9y ago

> there's an interesting background on why people takes that risk At least in some cases, the reason was that paying the fine was quicker and maybe even cheaper than going through the municipal bureaucracy. People would even denounce themselves once the construction was finished.

narag 9y ago
Any time frame is quicker than waiting forever. More a problem of infrastructure than one of bureaucracy. The town had plenty of land available. Data here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclana_de_la_Frontera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclana_de_la_Frontera But unless you owned 1 ha, regulations required an urbanization project. There weren't enough of them to cover a population that doubled in fifty years.

dsego 9y ago

Haha, same in croatia (and other ex-yu countries), and there's plenty of infrastructure problems as a result. Just look at these 'favelas' in my town. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5222778,16.4766439,3a,75y,231.34h,90.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s4EakaXJyMqtXTrjPE8Sn6A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D4EakaXJyMqtXTrjPE8Sn6A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D242.89323%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5222778,16.4766439,3a,75y,23... Or this guy in Bosnia that built a two-story house on top of a residential building. https://www.fokus.ba/vijesti/bih/kako-je-safet-na-zgradi-u-zenici-napravio-kucu-dvospratnicu-foto/1039301/ https://www.fokus.ba/vijesti/bih/kako-je-safet-na-zgradi-u-z... Ah, it's the Balkans after all.