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Does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? We've gone from OS-as-a-Platform to Browser-as-a-Platform (albeit on an OS). Operating systems have matured and hav

Does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? We've gone from OS-as-a-Platform to Browser-as-a-Platform (albeit on an OS). Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. I feel MacOS has an edge in the market given the excellent trackpad (i.e. the #1 way to interact with a mac or any computer), iCloud, and honestly it just works. Outside of Chrome, I use VS Code, VLC, FaceTime, iCloud, Dropbox, Zoom, and the Terminal.

lou1306 9y ago
> Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. The bugs in High Sierra (passwordless root [1], APFS data loss [2], the App Store preferences vulnerability [3]) seem to suggest otherwise. I have a MBP at work which is still on Sierra, maybe next summer I will be confident enough to upgrade... [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-high-sierra-critical-password-security-flaw https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-hig... [2]: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-loss-disk-images/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-apple-app-store-settings-password-preferences https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-...
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Yes these are serious bugs and it's important for Apple to prioritize security. Apple could be doing a better job here. My point was that many users have gone from running apps on OS's to browsers. The focus has shifted from producing the best-in-class OS to creating an OS which can run a best-in-class browser. With this in mind, does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? Security still needs to be a priority across all product lines
  - lou1306 9y ago
    It doesn't "need" to be a priority. However, some Apple products (the MBP in particular) were big among professional users who now feel a little left behind. Also, This is not limited to the software level. See the new MBP: there is no option for a laptop with top specs and no Touch Bar.
    - Blackstone4 9y ago
      Yeah agreed that Apple could be doing more with their Mac product line. I would like a better MacBook Air (with retina and less bezel around the screen....more like the Dell XPS 13) and a more powerful reasonably priced Mac Mini.
holstvoogd 9y ago
I've been using a mac since 2002 and for many years everything got better with every version of OS X. But recent years I feel the OS id getting worse for me mostly because they take away control and make stuff more suitable for non-power users. Some examples of what I mean: - I am not allowed to remove iTunes. This is BS and the kind of stuff we used to chastise Microsoft over. - Gatekeeper. I have to manually switch it to the mode where I get a dialogue that allows me to run non-app store applications. And then changes bakc with random updates it seems. - The plethora of deamons/services I don't want but cannot reliably disable or uninstall. I mean stuff like gamed, photosd, coreduetd, etc etc. I just want control over what my computer is doing and has installed. Thats all.
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Valid points around control but I feel like they are focused around design philosophy. Not necessarily related to whether or not MacOS should be #1 priority at Apple. I feel like Apple have been making conscious decisions to make iPhones, iPads and Macs (to a lesser extent) more 'user-friendly' and utility like. If I wanted an "old school" OS experience where I can control everything, I would pick Linux (i.e. Arch Linux) or BSD.

lou1306 9y ago

> Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. The bugs in High Sierra (passwordless root [1], APFS data loss [2], the App Store preferences vulnerability [3]) seem to suggest otherwise. I have a MBP at work which is still on Sierra, maybe next summer I will be confident enough to upgrade... [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-high-sierra-critical-password-security-flaw https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-hig... [2]: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-loss-disk-images/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-apple-app-store-settings-password-preferences https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-...

Blackstone4 9y ago
Yes these are serious bugs and it's important for Apple to prioritize security. Apple could be doing a better job here. My point was that many users have gone from running apps on OS's to browsers. The focus has shifted from producing the best-in-class OS to creating an OS which can run a best-in-class browser. With this in mind, does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? Security still needs to be a priority across all product lines
- lou1306 9y ago
  It doesn't "need" to be a priority. However, some Apple products (the MBP in particular) were big among professional users who now feel a little left behind. Also, This is not limited to the software level. See the new MBP: there is no option for a laptop with top specs and no Touch Bar.
  - Blackstone4 9y ago
    Yeah agreed that Apple could be doing more with their Mac product line. I would like a better MacBook Air (with retina and less bezel around the screen....more like the Dell XPS 13) and a more powerful reasonably priced Mac Mini.

holstvoogd 9y ago

I've been using a mac since 2002 and for many years everything got better with every version of OS X. But recent years I feel the OS id getting worse for me mostly because they take away control and make stuff more suitable for non-power users. Some examples of what I mean: - I am not allowed to remove iTunes. This is BS and the kind of stuff we used to chastise Microsoft over. - Gatekeeper. I have to manually switch it to the mode where I get a dialogue that allows me to run non-app store applications. And then changes bakc with random updates it seems. - The plethora of deamons/services I don't want but cannot reliably disable or uninstall. I mean stuff like gamed, photosd, coreduetd, etc etc. I just want control over what my computer is doing and has installed. Thats all.

Blackstone4 9y ago
Valid points around control but I feel like they are focused around design philosophy. Not necessarily related to whether or not MacOS should be #1 priority at Apple. I feel like Apple have been making conscious decisions to make iPhones, iPads and Macs (to a lesser extent) more 'user-friendly' and utility like. If I wanted an "old school" OS experience where I can control everything, I would pick Linux (i.e. Arch Linux) or BSD.