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But it doesn't really seem to be a standard that everyone can use. Like others have pointed out, FB and Google both originally built their products on XMPP, an

But it doesn't really seem to be a standard that everyone can use. Like others have pointed out, FB and Google both originally built their products on XMPP, and only later decided to lock out competing options. With SMS I know that I can send a text to anyone. With RCS, I don't know what would be supported by each carrier.

stephenr 9y ago
> With SMS I know that I can send a text to anyone. Unless their phone is turned off, or in a different room, or they’re in a different country, or they’re outside cell coverage and have wifi only. I’m not arguing googles shit is good, but sms is a fucking woeful alternative. I send most “messages” from my laptop, and about 1/3 are “international”.
- tallanvor 9y ago
  I suppose if their phone is turned off outside cell coverage long enough then yes, they won't get it, but the rest of it isn't really an issue I've had to deal with. And with carriers determining RCS functionality, I'm not sure I see how having your laptop but not your phone is likely to make a real difference.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    My point was to compare to something not controlled by people who for their own financial gain, push the idea that a phone is the only way to communicate. Xmpp, iMessage, etc are just data over an ip network - no inherit tie to a mobile phone and its network. So if I'm out of cell coverage, or my phone is flat, or whatever - I can get iMessage/XMPP/whatever messages on my laptop or iPad or whatever other device I have. That is how having a laptop but not my phone makes a real difference.
    - SamWhited 9y ago
      I've been using jmp.chat recently for this (SMS sent over XMPP and phone calls via SIP). I actually liked it so much I ported my old number and got a data only plan, now I can launch Dino or something and get SMS on my desktop. I really wish one of the big carriers would embrace something like this.

stephenr 9y ago

> With SMS I know that I can send a text to anyone. Unless their phone is turned off, or in a different room, or they’re in a different country, or they’re outside cell coverage and have wifi only. I’m not arguing googles shit is good, but sms is a fucking woeful alternative. I send most “messages” from my laptop, and about 1/3 are “international”.

tallanvor 9y ago
I suppose if their phone is turned off outside cell coverage long enough then yes, they won't get it, but the rest of it isn't really an issue I've had to deal with. And with carriers determining RCS functionality, I'm not sure I see how having your laptop but not your phone is likely to make a real difference.
- stephenr 9y ago
  My point was to compare to something not controlled by people who for their own financial gain, push the idea that a phone is the only way to communicate. Xmpp, iMessage, etc are just data over an ip network - no inherit tie to a mobile phone and its network. So if I'm out of cell coverage, or my phone is flat, or whatever - I can get iMessage/XMPP/whatever messages on my laptop or iPad or whatever other device I have. That is how having a laptop but not my phone makes a real difference.
  - SamWhited 9y ago
    I've been using jmp.chat recently for this (SMS sent over XMPP and phone calls via SIP). I actually liked it so much I ported my old number and got a data only plan, now I can launch Dino or something and get SMS on my desktop. I really wish one of the big carriers would embrace something like this.