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This is great - if it hold out. > But that's not what it's about. You know it's about giving people things that they can then use to help them change the world

This is great - if it hold out. > But that's not what it's about. You know it's about giving people things that they can then use to help them change the world or express their passion or express their creativity. Tim says this... and this is also what users have come to expect of apple; but their products as of late very much reflect a different set of priorities. The notion of iOS and MacOS merging didn't come out of nowhere - thats the direction apple was/is heading. As a lifelong Mac user, it's obvious we're second class citizens to apple, whos focus is primariy on iOS. IIRC, They don't even have a dedicated MacOS team anymore - everyone is doing IOS dev. And, it shows in the quality of the system. I honestly think apple has already peaked and has started to decline - and i think they need to, to get hungry again. But with all the money they have, I don't think they'll be hungry for quite a while.

Blackstone4 9y ago
Does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? We've gone from OS-as-a-Platform to Browser-as-a-Platform (albeit on an OS). Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. I feel MacOS has an edge in the market given the excellent trackpad (i.e. the #1 way to interact with a mac or any computer), iCloud, and honestly it just works. Outside of Chrome, I use VS Code, VLC, FaceTime, iCloud, Dropbox, Zoom, and the Terminal.
- lou1306 9y ago
  > Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. The bugs in High Sierra (passwordless root [1], APFS data loss [2], the App Store preferences vulnerability [3]) seem to suggest otherwise. I have a MBP at work which is still on Sierra, maybe next summer I will be confident enough to upgrade... [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-high-sierra-critical-password-security-flaw https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-hig... [2]: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-loss-disk-images/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-apple-app-store-settings-password-preferences https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-...
  - Blackstone4 9y ago
    Yes these are serious bugs and it's important for Apple to prioritize security. Apple could be doing a better job here. My point was that many users have gone from running apps on OS's to browsers. The focus has shifted from producing the best-in-class OS to creating an OS which can run a best-in-class browser. With this in mind, does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? Security still needs to be a priority across all product lines
    - lou1306 9y ago
      It doesn't "need" to be a priority. However, some Apple products (the MBP in particular) were big among professional users who now feel a little left behind. Also, This is not limited to the software level. See the new MBP: there is no option for a laptop with top specs and no Touch Bar.
      - Blackstone4 9y ago
        Yeah agreed that Apple could be doing more with their Mac product line. I would like a better MacBook Air (with retina and less bezel around the screen....more like the Dell XPS 13) and a more powerful reasonably priced Mac Mini.
- holstvoogd 9y ago
  I've been using a mac since 2002 and for many years everything got better with every version of OS X. But recent years I feel the OS id getting worse for me mostly because they take away control and make stuff more suitable for non-power users. Some examples of what I mean: - I am not allowed to remove iTunes. This is BS and the kind of stuff we used to chastise Microsoft over. - Gatekeeper. I have to manually switch it to the mode where I get a dialogue that allows me to run non-app store applications. And then changes bakc with random updates it seems. - The plethora of deamons/services I don't want but cannot reliably disable or uninstall. I mean stuff like gamed, photosd, coreduetd, etc etc. I just want control over what my computer is doing and has installed. Thats all.
  - Blackstone4 9y ago
    Valid points around control but I feel like they are focused around design philosophy. Not necessarily related to whether or not MacOS should be #1 priority at Apple. I feel like Apple have been making conscious decisions to make iPhones, iPads and Macs (to a lesser extent) more 'user-friendly' and utility like. If I wanted an "old school" OS experience where I can control everything, I would pick Linux (i.e. Arch Linux) or BSD.

Blackstone4 9y ago

Does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? We've gone from OS-as-a-Platform to Browser-as-a-Platform (albeit on an OS). Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. I feel MacOS has an edge in the market given the excellent trackpad (i.e. the #1 way to interact with a mac or any computer), iCloud, and honestly it just works. Outside of Chrome, I use VS Code, VLC, FaceTime, iCloud, Dropbox, Zoom, and the Terminal.

lou1306 9y ago
> Operating systems have matured and have become relatively stable. The bugs in High Sierra (passwordless root [1], APFS data loss [2], the App Store preferences vulnerability [3]) seem to suggest otherwise. I have a MBP at work which is still on Sierra, maybe next summer I will be confident enough to upgrade... [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-high-sierra-critical-password-security-flaw https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/28/16711782/apple-macos-hig... [2]: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-loss-disk-images/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [3]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-apple-app-store-settings-password-preferences https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/11/16877992/high-sierra-bug-...
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Yes these are serious bugs and it's important for Apple to prioritize security. Apple could be doing a better job here. My point was that many users have gone from running apps on OS's to browsers. The focus has shifted from producing the best-in-class OS to creating an OS which can run a best-in-class browser. With this in mind, does MacOS need to be #1 priority at Apple? Security still needs to be a priority across all product lines
  - lou1306 9y ago
    It doesn't "need" to be a priority. However, some Apple products (the MBP in particular) were big among professional users who now feel a little left behind. Also, This is not limited to the software level. See the new MBP: there is no option for a laptop with top specs and no Touch Bar.
    - Blackstone4 9y ago
      Yeah agreed that Apple could be doing more with their Mac product line. I would like a better MacBook Air (with retina and less bezel around the screen....more like the Dell XPS 13) and a more powerful reasonably priced Mac Mini.
holstvoogd 9y ago
I've been using a mac since 2002 and for many years everything got better with every version of OS X. But recent years I feel the OS id getting worse for me mostly because they take away control and make stuff more suitable for non-power users. Some examples of what I mean: - I am not allowed to remove iTunes. This is BS and the kind of stuff we used to chastise Microsoft over. - Gatekeeper. I have to manually switch it to the mode where I get a dialogue that allows me to run non-app store applications. And then changes bakc with random updates it seems. - The plethora of deamons/services I don't want but cannot reliably disable or uninstall. I mean stuff like gamed, photosd, coreduetd, etc etc. I just want control over what my computer is doing and has installed. Thats all.
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  Valid points around control but I feel like they are focused around design philosophy. Not necessarily related to whether or not MacOS should be #1 priority at Apple. I feel like Apple have been making conscious decisions to make iPhones, iPads and Macs (to a lesser extent) more 'user-friendly' and utility like. If I wanted an "old school" OS experience where I can control everything, I would pick Linux (i.e. Arch Linux) or BSD.