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Electric Car Charging Technology Is About to Surge Past Tesla's Superchargers

19 points by scottie_m 8y ago

sounds 8y ago
Sponsored article with clickbait title. tl;dr: VW (via American subsidiary "Electrify America") has put out a vaporware announcement that: • Their proprietary charger plug will supply 350 kW possibly at 800 or up to 920 Volts and 350 Amps using a liquid-cooled cable • May build 1000 stations (over an unknown period of time) • Mention is made of the IONITY charging network in Europe, without mentioning compatibility
- rohit2412 8y ago
  Proprietary plug? Compatibility? They are following the CCS standard. May build 1000 over unknown period? Did you miss the Walmart announcement yesterday? And electrify America has their timeline well defined on their website
  - Jesus_Jones 8y ago
    But we've already have many companies claiming they would build nationwide networks and it never happened. They are broken, etc. Only tesla has build a worldwide network that works well, and has stood up to the test of time.
    - rohit2412 8y ago
      Can you give examples of broken promises? I think evgo and chargepoint have held true to what they promised. And I don't think Volkswagen and Porsche cancelling their plans (after VW being legally mandated and Porsche designing a 800 volt 350kw level3 charging car)
  - sounds 8y ago
    Ok, you are correct - but this article presents the info in a super confusing way. A much better presentation is: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/electrify-america-will-deploy-2000-350kw-fast-chargers-by-the-end-of-2019/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/electrify-america-will-...
boznz 8y ago
Couple of points here Firstly, this is still years off and you seriously expect Tesla not to be developing the Mega-charger? Well here's a big hint, it has a fucking massive electric truck that will need to be charged somewhere and a supercharger is not going to cut it I like the fact I can go to any gas station and not have to worry about which nozzle fits my car, why cant all these guys just agree on something, I thought Tesla had open-sourced its patents for this so anyone could make the supercharger adapter or was that just BS from Tesla? Tesla seriously needs some competition, I'm seeing a digital camera replacing a film camera moment of history in action with EV's but the auto makers and gas stations are still scratching their arses or in denial or just promising us cake tomorrow, until I see this in the flesh it is nothing more than a marketing FUD.
- rohit2412 8y ago
  What's the point of megacharger if your cars don't charge on it? I don't see any indication that existing Teslas can even charge above 150kw. All of them agree on CCS (and the Japanese on chademo). Why should they take up Tesla's own standard? > until I see this in the flesh it is nothing more than a marketing FUD. Skepticism is good, I hope you use it when Elon musk makes statements too.
- mikestew 8y ago
  I like the fact I can go to any gas station and not have to worry about which nozzle fits my car In seven years of ownership of a Nissan Leaf, that been neither a concern or a problem of mine. Every public charging station I’ve used worked fine with the Leaf. Not that I use them all that often because the “gas station” I go to most often is in my garage.
  - mapmap 8y ago
    This. The infrastructure to fuel the cars of the future already exists. A basic 120v outlet charging for 12 hours afterwork and through the night nets most EVs about 60 miles of range. That covers the roundtrip commute of 90% of the population[1]. A 240v outlet completely charges a battery overnight – even huge batteries like on the Model S or Bolt. [1] https://www.statisticbrain.com/commute-statistics/ https://www.statisticbrain.com/commute-statistics/
sschueller 8y ago
The entire sitution is such a cluster fuck now. There are way to many different standards[1] some with the same plug but different protocol! This is the 1990s cell phone charger debacle all over again. Can't we just all agree on a nice global standard? Additionally let's not build another bluetooth please... [1] https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap8-tech/ev-dc-fast-charging-standards-chademo-ccs-sae-combo-tesla-supercharger-etc.html https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidenc...
- nolok 8y ago
  Well to be fair they didn't for phones either, the EU had to slap them into it

19 points by scottie_m 8y ago

Sponsored article with clickbait title. tl;dr: VW (via American subsidiary "Electrify America") has put out a vaporware announcement that: • Their proprietary charger plug will supply 350 kW possibly at 800 or up to 920 Volts and 350 Amps using a liquid-cooled cable • May build 1000 stations (over an unknown period of time) • Mention is made of the IONITY charging network in Europe, without mentioning compatibility

rohit2412 8y ago
Proprietary plug? Compatibility? They are following the CCS standard. May build 1000 over unknown period? Did you miss the Walmart announcement yesterday? And electrify America has their timeline well defined on their website
- Jesus_Jones 8y ago
  But we've already have many companies claiming they would build nationwide networks and it never happened. They are broken, etc. Only tesla has build a worldwide network that works well, and has stood up to the test of time.
  - rohit2412 8y ago
    Can you give examples of broken promises? I think evgo and chargepoint have held true to what they promised. And I don't think Volkswagen and Porsche cancelling their plans (after VW being legally mandated and Porsche designing a 800 volt 350kw level3 charging car)
- sounds 8y ago
  Ok, you are correct - but this article presents the info in a super confusing way. A much better presentation is: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/electrify-america-will-deploy-2000-350kw-fast-chargers-by-the-end-of-2019/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/electrify-america-will-...

boznz 8y ago

Couple of points here Firstly, this is still years off and you seriously expect Tesla not to be developing the Mega-charger? Well here's a big hint, it has a fucking massive electric truck that will need to be charged somewhere and a supercharger is not going to cut it I like the fact I can go to any gas station and not have to worry about which nozzle fits my car, why cant all these guys just agree on something, I thought Tesla had open-sourced its patents for this so anyone could make the supercharger adapter or was that just BS from Tesla? Tesla seriously needs some competition, I'm seeing a digital camera replacing a film camera moment of history in action with EV's but the auto makers and gas stations are still scratching their arses or in denial or just promising us cake tomorrow, until I see this in the flesh it is nothing more than a marketing FUD.

rohit2412 8y ago
What's the point of megacharger if your cars don't charge on it? I don't see any indication that existing Teslas can even charge above 150kw. All of them agree on CCS (and the Japanese on chademo). Why should they take up Tesla's own standard? > until I see this in the flesh it is nothing more than a marketing FUD. Skepticism is good, I hope you use it when Elon musk makes statements too.
mikestew 8y ago
I like the fact I can go to any gas station and not have to worry about which nozzle fits my car In seven years of ownership of a Nissan Leaf, that been neither a concern or a problem of mine. Every public charging station I’ve used worked fine with the Leaf. Not that I use them all that often because the “gas station” I go to most often is in my garage.
- mapmap 8y ago
  This. The infrastructure to fuel the cars of the future already exists. A basic 120v outlet charging for 12 hours afterwork and through the night nets most EVs about 60 miles of range. That covers the roundtrip commute of 90% of the population[1]. A 240v outlet completely charges a battery overnight – even huge batteries like on the Model S or Bolt. [1] https://www.statisticbrain.com/commute-statistics/ https://www.statisticbrain.com/commute-statistics/

sschueller 8y ago

The entire sitution is such a cluster fuck now. There are way to many different standards[1] some with the same plug but different protocol! This is the 1990s cell phone charger debacle all over again. Can't we just all agree on a nice global standard? Additionally let's not build another bluetooth please... [1] https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap8-tech/ev-dc-fast-charging-standards-chademo-ccs-sae-combo-tesla-supercharger-etc.html https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidenc...

nolok 8y ago
Well to be fair they didn't for phones either, the EU had to slap them into it