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So here's the issue with companies like Cloudflare - they live under US law. What about parts of the world where sex work is regulated/taxed/legal? (ie Australi

So here's the issue with companies like Cloudflare - they live under US law. What about parts of the world where sex work is regulated/taxed/legal? (ie Australia?) Does this mean CloudFlare can't be trusted to be an "internet" thing as much as a "US" thing?

tetha 8y ago
My first though on that was from shadowrun: That's a bad and current meatspace influence in cyberspace. There cannot be "internet" companies, because a company has to be registered in an internationally recognized place - especially if that company wants to scale beyond 1 - 10 enthusiasts. And then meatspace law of that specific place applies. And outside of a few specific instances, wrenching in meatspace defeats cyberspace.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  There cannot be "internet" companies, because a company has to be registered in an internationally recognized place After SpaceX puts up LEO satellite Internet, maybe someone needs to put up an LEO satellite cloud?
  - tetha 8y ago
    Servers are just tools for entities. If all your servers are hosted on the moon, you still need to form a company to own the servers.
    - politician 8y ago
      Well that's only if you have a reason to care about a particular Terran jurisdiction. If you deploy servers to the moon with a self-sufficient power supply, networking, and maintenance, and you want to host The Pirate Bay or whatever in flagrant violation of Terran law -- you can! Governments operate on threat of violence. If you can arrange to be beyond their reach, then you can ignore their rules. One doesn't have to look to the Moon for evidence of that, migration to the "New World" from "Old Europe" is sufficient. In a world where bitcoin is still a thing, those moon servers could potentially even make money and participate in the Earth-bound economy (e.g. via a participating Earth uplink station).
      - tetha 8y ago
        You are not beyond their reach though. Your servers might be, but you, personally, your routing and your uplinks are not.
        stcredzero 8y ago
        What if all of the uplinks were self contained pizza box sized devices?
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    If someone with authority to use force can get to you with a gun, it doesn’t matter where your gear is.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      What if where your gear is located is someplace where shooting could spoil something very valuable to the authority? Earth orbit might well qualify. Shooting down a 1000 satellite fleet sounds like something that could precipitate a Kessler Syndrome cascade.
      - toomuchtodo 8y ago
        You misunderstand. I was suggesting you’d be renditioned and beaten with a hose or gun on earth if you own the unauthorized satellite constellation. Although, you shouldn’t put past governments to use high output lasers with adaptive optics to disable undesirable satellites without causing a debris field. China has already done this with low power lasers to blind US spy satellites.
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tetha 8y ago

My first though on that was from shadowrun: That's a bad and current meatspace influence in cyberspace. There cannot be "internet" companies, because a company has to be registered in an internationally recognized place - especially if that company wants to scale beyond 1 - 10 enthusiasts. And then meatspace law of that specific place applies. And outside of a few specific instances, wrenching in meatspace defeats cyberspace.

stcredzero 8y ago
There cannot be "internet" companies, because a company has to be registered in an internationally recognized place After SpaceX puts up LEO satellite Internet, maybe someone needs to put up an LEO satellite cloud?
- tetha 8y ago
  Servers are just tools for entities. If all your servers are hosted on the moon, you still need to form a company to own the servers.
  - politician 8y ago
    Well that's only if you have a reason to care about a particular Terran jurisdiction. If you deploy servers to the moon with a self-sufficient power supply, networking, and maintenance, and you want to host The Pirate Bay or whatever in flagrant violation of Terran law -- you can! Governments operate on threat of violence. If you can arrange to be beyond their reach, then you can ignore their rules. One doesn't have to look to the Moon for evidence of that, migration to the "New World" from "Old Europe" is sufficient. In a world where bitcoin is still a thing, those moon servers could potentially even make money and participate in the Earth-bound economy (e.g. via a participating Earth uplink station).
    - tetha 8y ago
      You are not beyond their reach though. Your servers might be, but you, personally, your routing and your uplinks are not.
      - stcredzero 8y ago
        What if all of the uplinks were self contained pizza box sized devices?
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  If someone with authority to use force can get to you with a gun, it doesn’t matter where your gear is.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    What if where your gear is located is someplace where shooting could spoil something very valuable to the authority? Earth orbit might well qualify. Shooting down a 1000 satellite fleet sounds like something that could precipitate a Kessler Syndrome cascade.
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      You misunderstand. I was suggesting you’d be renditioned and beaten with a hose or gun on earth if you own the unauthorized satellite constellation. Although, you shouldn’t put past governments to use high output lasers with adaptive optics to disable undesirable satellites without causing a debris field. China has already done this with low power lasers to blind US spy satellites.
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