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The satellite mode that I described is an active/passive mode. One region is accepting reads and writes; the other is just replicating everything. When it looks

The satellite mode that I described is an active/passive mode. One region is accepting reads and writes; the other is just replicating everything. When it looks like the active region is in trouble, the asynchronous replication is "finished up" before switching over to the other region. The multiple datacenters in each region ensure that usually a regional failure will be "slow enough" that this automatic process (which after all only takes hundreds of milliseconds to seconds) can usually complete before a region goes away. And this will be handled pretty transparently by the datastore. If a region is blown up instantly by an orbital laser cannon, then the database will go down and you will have to manually tell it to recover ACI in the other region, sacrificing the durability of whatever committed transactions in the lost region were destroyed by the laser cannon.

wll 8y ago
While that’s perfect to shield from orbital laser cannons, is active/active geo-independent replication possibile?
- voidmain 8y ago
  Well, if you want ACID then you are going to have to pay for at least one geographic round trip per committed transaction. (So why not go active/passive, and have at least one of your datacenters be fast?) But what if you have different pieces of data and you want them to be fast in different datacenters? I think a great solution to this can be layered on top of multiple FoundationDB clusters, each using the satellite mode, but this is one thing that I at least haven't been able to think of a way to provide properly at the data model agnostic key/value store layer - the details about what to put where seem fundamentally dependent on your data model.
  - wll 8y ago
    > So why not go active/passive, and have at least one of your datacenters be fast? While local writes would stay fast, wouldn’t active/passive see higher-latency non-local writes than Spanner or Fauna’s (assuming a NAM-EUR-ASIA topology)? I agree with and do appreciate the multiple FoundationDB clusters suggestion.
    - voidmain 8y ago
      I'm speculating, but I think in this mode, from the "slow" datacenters you would see one round trip time to start a transaction, then reads will be fast (they can be done safely from your local datacenter because of MVCC), and then one round trip time to commit the transaction. I think that's as good as Spanner does with the same geography, but I'm not sure. I think you could get rid of the first round trip time even without any clock synchronization nonsense, by speculating on a read version for read/write transactions. And 1xRTT is obviously as fast as physically possible for ACID.
      - voidmain 8y ago
        Update: Apparently Spanner is way slower than I thought in "slow" datacenters, doing a round trip for every transactional read. So this would absolutely stomp that. (Although spanner, as a higher level system, has the ability to move different data to be fast in different regions built in, which is nice, and as I said it will probably have to be a layer feature in the fdb world)

wll 8y ago

While that’s perfect to shield from orbital laser cannons, is active/active geo-independent replication possibile?

voidmain 8y ago
Well, if you want ACID then you are going to have to pay for at least one geographic round trip per committed transaction. (So why not go active/passive, and have at least one of your datacenters be fast?) But what if you have different pieces of data and you want them to be fast in different datacenters? I think a great solution to this can be layered on top of multiple FoundationDB clusters, each using the satellite mode, but this is one thing that I at least haven't been able to think of a way to provide properly at the data model agnostic key/value store layer - the details about what to put where seem fundamentally dependent on your data model.
- wll 8y ago
  > So why not go active/passive, and have at least one of your datacenters be fast? While local writes would stay fast, wouldn’t active/passive see higher-latency non-local writes than Spanner or Fauna’s (assuming a NAM-EUR-ASIA topology)? I agree with and do appreciate the multiple FoundationDB clusters suggestion.
  - voidmain 8y ago
    I'm speculating, but I think in this mode, from the "slow" datacenters you would see one round trip time to start a transaction, then reads will be fast (they can be done safely from your local datacenter because of MVCC), and then one round trip time to commit the transaction. I think that's as good as Spanner does with the same geography, but I'm not sure. I think you could get rid of the first round trip time even without any clock synchronization nonsense, by speculating on a read version for read/write transactions. And 1xRTT is obviously as fast as physically possible for ACID.
    - voidmain 8y ago
      Update: Apparently Spanner is way slower than I thought in "slow" datacenters, doing a round trip for every transactional read. So this would absolutely stomp that. (Although spanner, as a higher level system, has the ability to move different data to be fast in different regions built in, which is nice, and as I said it will probably have to be a layer feature in the fdb world)