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Exactly. These 3000 engineers that protested in Google don't seem to live in reality. In the real world, China and Russia are doing government sponsored hacki

Exactly. These 3000 engineers that protested in Google don't seem to live in reality. In the real world, China and Russia are doing government sponsored hacking against Western government/companies all the time, stealing IPs, strategies and bankrupting companies. I wonder how these engineers would respond when Google is hacked and its business is down, and engineers fired. Case in point: "Brian Shields, former Nortel security adviser, alleges Huawei hacked company for 10 years..." "It was on behalf of Huawei and ZTE and other Chinese companies that could have used this information to compete against us in the marketplace. It gave them a strategic advantage. How can you survive when you have a competitor basically right there knowing all your moves, what you're doing, what you see as the future products?" http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-against-working-with-huawei-1.1137006 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-aga...

vkou 8y ago
How exactly will working on drone strike software protect some executive's account from being spear-phished? This smells like FUD.
- generalmycoup 8y ago
  how about security software? networking software? AI to defend companies from hacked by Chinese government? > This smells like FUD. you let your personal bias get to you. I'm guessing you're Chinese.
  - sctb 8y ago
    You're breaking a lot of guidelines, including: > Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. Could you please stop? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
throwawaymanbot 8y ago
USGOV does this also... They learned it of us. BUT, why would they NOT work on interesting projects for the gov? Projects are projects.
- generalmycoup 8y ago
  > They learned it of us. from us, 50 Cent Army/Chinese Government AI who is imitating an American
oh_sigh 8y ago
Americans are generally pro-military, save for ultra left-leaning types. The fact that only 3000 people signed out of a population of ~100k(which already clearly trends leftwards), tells me that most people did not actually have a problem with that project.
- philwelch 8y ago
  The majority of people on either side also probably recognize that signing your name to an open letter opposing your employer’s policies and decisions is a career-limiting move.
  - oh_sigh 8y ago
    I really doubt that at google.
    - philwelch 8y ago
      Google literally fired someone for that, so...
      - oh_sigh 8y ago
        I'm speaking specifically about this situation, not about signing open letters in general. And James wasn't fired for signing a letter, he was fired for writing it in the first place.
        philwelch 8y ago
        But then he signed his name to it. Although, yes, you are technically correct.
- notacoward 8y ago
  > Americans are generally pro-military, save for ultra left-leaning types. That depends a lot on what "pro-military" means. Do most Americans wish success and well-being for our military service members? Yes. Do most Americans approve of how large our military has become, affecting both government budgets and culture, or of the foreign policy that puts so many of those service members in harm's way? I doubt it. It's not "ultra-left" to oppose militarism. You know what is ultra-left? Having a decent social safety net that enables veterans to integrate back into society, instead of abandoning them like the ultra-right does.
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vkou 8y ago

How exactly will working on drone strike software protect some executive's account from being spear-phished? This smells like FUD.

generalmycoup 8y ago
how about security software? networking software? AI to defend companies from hacked by Chinese government? > This smells like FUD. you let your personal bias get to you. I'm guessing you're Chinese.
- sctb 8y ago
  You're breaking a lot of guidelines, including: > Please don't use Hacker News primarily for political or ideological battle. This destroys intellectual curiosity, so we ban accounts that do it. Could you please stop? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

throwawaymanbot 8y ago

USGOV does this also... They learned it of us. BUT, why would they NOT work on interesting projects for the gov? Projects are projects.

generalmycoup 8y ago
> They learned it of us. from us, 50 Cent Army/Chinese Government AI who is imitating an American

oh_sigh 8y ago

Americans are generally pro-military, save for ultra left-leaning types. The fact that only 3000 people signed out of a population of ~100k(which already clearly trends leftwards), tells me that most people did not actually have a problem with that project.

philwelch 8y ago
The majority of people on either side also probably recognize that signing your name to an open letter opposing your employer’s policies and decisions is a career-limiting move.
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  I really doubt that at google.
  - philwelch 8y ago
    Google literally fired someone for that, so...
    - oh_sigh 8y ago
      I'm speaking specifically about this situation, not about signing open letters in general. And James wasn't fired for signing a letter, he was fired for writing it in the first place.
      - philwelch 8y ago
        But then he signed his name to it. Although, yes, you are technically correct.
notacoward 8y ago
> Americans are generally pro-military, save for ultra left-leaning types. That depends a lot on what "pro-military" means. Do most Americans wish success and well-being for our military service members? Yes. Do most Americans approve of how large our military has become, affecting both government budgets and culture, or of the foreign policy that puts so many of those service members in harm's way? I doubt it. It's not "ultra-left" to oppose militarism. You know what is ultra-left? Having a decent social safety net that enables veterans to integrate back into society, instead of abandoning them like the ultra-right does.

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