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It is a genius move from Apple. I just wish they'd apply this logic to a lot of their other stuff.

by foobaw 9y ago

woolvalley 9y ago
They are, slowly. Swift is open source, clang is open source. They are moving parts of the xcode IDE into open source, like with sourcekitd and now recently clangd. I don't think they will ever move 'secret sauce' into open source, but infrastructural things like DBs and dev tooling seems to be going in that direction.
- mercutio2 9y ago
  Well, clangd is a Google project, which Apple has decided to start contributing to, so probably doesn’t belong on your list. Apple, like everyone else, wants to commoditize their complements.
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  - mattkrea 9y ago
    Clang was an Apple project from the start.. I'm not sure what is telling you it is a Google project
    - gnat 9y ago
      In case a citation is needed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang > Apple chose to develop a new compiler front end from scratch, supporting C, Objective-C and C++. This "clang" project was open-sourced in July 2007.
    - kalleboo 9y ago
      I believe the "d" in the GP comment was not a typo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16874734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16874734
    - mercutio2 9y ago
      Clangd != clang. Woolvalley said “and now recently clangd“, which is a source code completion server which began its life at Google. Clang did start its life with Apple.
pritambaral 9y ago
~~How is it different from when Apple acquired the then-open-source FoundationDB (and shut down public access)? They could have just kept it open source back then.~~ EDIT: My bad, looks like FoundationDB wasn't fully open-source back then.
- djrogers 9y ago
  From what I recall (and based on some quick retro-googling) I don't believe Foudnation was open-source. One of the complaints about it on HN back in the day was that it was closed...
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  - piva00 9y ago
    You are correct, FoundationDB was free but never OSS. You can even check the comments on the HN thread [1] when they removed the downloads. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9259986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9259986

It is a genius move from Apple. I just wish they'd apply this logic to a lot of their other stuff.

by foobaw 9y ago

It is a genius move from Apple. I just wish they'd apply this logic to a lot of their other stuff.

They are, slowly. Swift is open source, clang is open source. They are moving parts of the xcode IDE into open source, like with sourcekitd and now recently clangd. I don't think they will ever move 'secret sauce' into open source, but infrastructural things like DBs and dev tooling seems to be going in that direction.

mercutio2 9y ago
Well, clangd is a Google project, which Apple has decided to start contributing to, so probably doesn’t belong on your list. Apple, like everyone else, wants to commoditize their complements.
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- mattkrea 9y ago
  Clang was an Apple project from the start.. I'm not sure what is telling you it is a Google project
  - gnat 9y ago
    In case a citation is needed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clang > Apple chose to develop a new compiler front end from scratch, supporting C, Objective-C and C++. This "clang" project was open-sourced in July 2007.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    I believe the "d" in the GP comment was not a typo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16874734 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16874734
  - mercutio2 9y ago
    Clangd != clang. Woolvalley said “and now recently clangd“, which is a source code completion server which began its life at Google. Clang did start its life with Apple.

pritambaral 9y ago

~~How is it different from when Apple acquired the then-open-source FoundationDB (and shut down public access)? They could have just kept it open source back then.~~ EDIT: My bad, looks like FoundationDB wasn't fully open-source back then.

djrogers 9y ago
From what I recall (and based on some quick retro-googling) I don't believe Foudnation was open-source. One of the complaints about it on HN back in the day was that it was closed...
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- piva00 9y ago
  You are correct, FoundationDB was free but never OSS. You can even check the comments on the HN thread [1] when they removed the downloads. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9259986 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9259986