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The internet is not your save space. Neither is reddit. If everbody were thinking your way, those posts would be downvoted into obliviation. I am sorry that you

The internet is not your save space. Neither is reddit. If everbody were thinking your way, those posts would be downvoted into obliviation. I am sorry that you have to face the fact thst many people don't share your personal value judgement of what is considered to be racist/sexist.

mustacheemperor 9y ago
I think this is an oversimplified view, especially when it is nearly a known fact reddit's votes are manipulated by automated imposters/"troll farms"/etc. The internet is not my safe space, but I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The people holding those opinions can go elsewhere, for example to The_Donald, where any dissent is quickly deleted by moderators. Even beyond the manipulation question, moderation exists to refine a community beyond mob rule.
- FeepingCreature 9y ago
  I think it's very dangerous to conceive of social subreddits as any sort of "safe space" due to competing access needs.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The problem with even mild forms of censorship, is that bad actors can combine it with emotional manipulation and media manipulation to push their own agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA Right now, bad actors on the far left are using outrage as a tool to push their own authoritarian agendas. In this, they are aided and abetted by the far right. Both extremes thrive on outrage, especially the outrage that comes from intellectually dishonest censorship. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE
komali2 9y ago
By that same logic, reddit is allowed to outright ban all right-positive content, correct? It's not the right's safe space, after all.
- stale2002 9y ago
  But they aren't doing it. So if you don't like the fact that reddit supports free speech, you can feel free to leave. Reddit is fully within its right to support free speech. It is the reason why it is successful.
  - komali2 9y ago
    Weird, that sounds a lot like the billboards I used to see in South Carolina along the lines of "if you don't like [guns, god, trucks], you can GIIIIIIIT OUT!" Are you telling me I shouldn't be exercising my free speech right to argue that reddit should remove alt-right subreddits? Are you placing barriers around acceptable free speech?
    - stale2002 9y ago
      You can do whatever you want. That's the great part about places like reddit. I am merely informing you of the fact reddit isn't going to go along with your idea to engage in mass censorship because they are strongly pro free speech, and only ban subreddits in very rare situations. They aren't perfect on free speech, but Id give them a solid A-. You have lots of other options if you like censorship, and you can feel free to use those instead. That's the great thing that reddit offers. You can join moderated communities as well as unmoderated. It's your choice which to engage in, and reddit isn't going to take away OTHER people's choice because you say so.
      - komali2 9y ago
        I don't know why you seem to think I have some kind of authority. I feel like I'm being propped up as some sort of powerful villain here, or maybe that there are strikes being taken at my agency. >Reddit isn't going to take away OTHER people's choice because you say so Why use language like this? I bring it up because this is exactly the sort of haughty writing style I'm used to hearing when I engage t_d users... I don't know if it's a dialect or simply an artifact of shared mindset. Reddit does censor, don't forget! They've even banned self proclaimed safe spaces such as mgtow hangouts. I'm also curious where you get your sense of authority, saying things like "I'm informing you of the fact that reddit...". That's powerful language! Do you work at Reddit? If so, can you offer further insight? Using words like "facts" seems silly. Given enough advertiser pressure, I bet reddit would content tweak. If t_d lost it's fragile control over it's users and went full blown hate speech, I bet it would vanish. So, where does this confidence come from? EDIT: Shit, we've hit the reply depth limit or whatever. I'm happy to continue this conversation privately if you wish, my email's in my profile. To reply in an edit, I agree that typically spez has taken a pro-free speech line, but given that we're discussing this in an article that contradicts this from an insider perspective with lines like >and then, ultimately, these things will bubble up, make it into the press, and then we would make a decision to change things. We would deal with the immediate impact, which was painful, would last a week or two, and then it would go away. Which leads to my belief that if t_d lost just a little bit of control, and the press caught wind, that reddit would cave and ban it.

mustacheemperor 9y ago

I think this is an oversimplified view, especially when it is nearly a known fact reddit's votes are manipulated by automated imposters/"troll farms"/etc. The internet is not my safe space, but I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The people holding those opinions can go elsewhere, for example to The_Donald, where any dissent is quickly deleted by moderators. Even beyond the manipulation question, moderation exists to refine a community beyond mob rule.

FeepingCreature 9y ago
I think it's very dangerous to conceive of social subreddits as any sort of "safe space" due to competing access needs.
stcredzero 9y ago
I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The problem with even mild forms of censorship, is that bad actors can combine it with emotional manipulation and media manipulation to push their own agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA Right now, bad actors on the far left are using outrage as a tool to push their own authoritarian agendas. In this, they are aided and abetted by the far right. Both extremes thrive on outrage, especially the outrage that comes from intellectually dishonest censorship. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE

komali2 9y ago

By that same logic, reddit is allowed to outright ban all right-positive content, correct? It's not the right's safe space, after all.

stale2002 9y ago
But they aren't doing it. So if you don't like the fact that reddit supports free speech, you can feel free to leave. Reddit is fully within its right to support free speech. It is the reason why it is successful.
- komali2 9y ago
  Weird, that sounds a lot like the billboards I used to see in South Carolina along the lines of "if you don't like [guns, god, trucks], you can GIIIIIIIT OUT!" Are you telling me I shouldn't be exercising my free speech right to argue that reddit should remove alt-right subreddits? Are you placing barriers around acceptable free speech?
  - stale2002 9y ago
    You can do whatever you want. That's the great part about places like reddit. I am merely informing you of the fact reddit isn't going to go along with your idea to engage in mass censorship because they are strongly pro free speech, and only ban subreddits in very rare situations. They aren't perfect on free speech, but Id give them a solid A-. You have lots of other options if you like censorship, and you can feel free to use those instead. That's the great thing that reddit offers. You can join moderated communities as well as unmoderated. It's your choice which to engage in, and reddit isn't going to take away OTHER people's choice because you say so.
    - komali2 9y ago
      I don't know why you seem to think I have some kind of authority. I feel like I'm being propped up as some sort of powerful villain here, or maybe that there are strikes being taken at my agency. >Reddit isn't going to take away OTHER people's choice because you say so Why use language like this? I bring it up because this is exactly the sort of haughty writing style I'm used to hearing when I engage t_d users... I don't know if it's a dialect or simply an artifact of shared mindset. Reddit does censor, don't forget! They've even banned self proclaimed safe spaces such as mgtow hangouts. I'm also curious where you get your sense of authority, saying things like "I'm informing you of the fact that reddit...". That's powerful language! Do you work at Reddit? If so, can you offer further insight? Using words like "facts" seems silly. Given enough advertiser pressure, I bet reddit would content tweak. If t_d lost it's fragile control over it's users and went full blown hate speech, I bet it would vanish. So, where does this confidence come from? EDIT: Shit, we've hit the reply depth limit or whatever. I'm happy to continue this conversation privately if you wish, my email's in my profile. To reply in an edit, I agree that typically spez has taken a pro-free speech line, but given that we're discussing this in an article that contradicts this from an insider perspective with lines like >and then, ultimately, these things will bubble up, make it into the press, and then we would make a decision to change things. We would deal with the immediate impact, which was painful, would last a week or two, and then it would go away. Which leads to my belief that if t_d lost just a little bit of control, and the press caught wind, that reddit would cave and ban it.