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True, but The_Donald is always leaking. I've seen plenty of sexist/racist content on subreddits for cities, sports teams, memes, etc. Reddit has allowed itself

True, but The_Donald is always leaking. I've seen plenty of sexist/racist content on subreddits for cities, sports teams, memes, etc. Reddit has allowed itself to be a platform used in part for really despicable content, and the despicable people who generate that content regularly venture outside their cesspools.

slg 9y ago
This is the problem that so many people miss when they extol the virtues of a customized Reddit. If you make a site that is attractive to racists, bigots, sexists, and homophobes, those people are going to be using the whole site and not just their tiny vile corners. This phenomenon might be easier to understand with a specific example like the recent Ghostbusters remake. It was by most accounts a bad movie. If you browse any movie related subreddit you will see plenty of valid criticism of that movie. Mixed in with that are comments about how that movie never should have been made with an all female cast and that is what caused the movie to be unsuccessful because women aren't funny. It is easy for some naive kid to see that and think "yeah, I saw that movie and it wasn't funny, maybe that comment has a point". Meanwhile it might never occur to them the user who originally left that comment came to Reddit to be a member of an incel community that is notoriously sexist and anti-women. This allows these communities to grow their size by spreading hate and feeding off the rest of the site.
- FeepingCreature 9y ago
  That's a lot of bad words to express "people I don't like have a social life."
- quadrangle 9y ago
  I kinda think if the balance can be maintained instead of reaching a tipping point that the interactions between those bigots etc. and the rest of us may actually ward off their bigotry. A bigot having a conversation with a non-bigot in a context that doesn't start off adversarial is probably the best context we can get for people to slowly drop their bigotry. Sure, it can go the other way too, and that's scary. I was pretty much in the sunlight-best-disinfectant camp until I heard https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/08/25/546127444/episode-790-rough-translations-in-ukraine https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/08/25/546127444/epis... Now, I dunno. Clearly we can't expect independent well-meaning anti-racists to be as effective as extremely carefully crafted propaganda appealing to baser tribalist instincts. It's already uphill battle to get people to be open-minded. Those who argue for reinforcing people's existing biases have it easier. But if there's any chance of getting the bigots to change their views, it seems it will be in respectful conversation with others, which Reddit at least is capable of, though I guess it doesn't seem the trend, unfortunately…
  - slg 9y ago
    I agree with your premise, but I don't think that is something that realistically happens very often on the internet, especially on social media. The discourse dissolves too quickly once a comment has been called out for being hateful. Another part of the issue is that not all hateful content has a big blinking sign on it saying "I am being hateful". It is often a lot subtler than that. One big example is how the Reddit community has handled the Me Too movement. If the big subreddits are your only source of news you might think that Terry Crews is the primary victim of Hollywood's sexual misconduct. There is nothing wrong with telling Crew's story. He is clearly a victim and he deserves for his voice to be heard. A single post or comment about Crews is not sexist, however he has been the primary focus of this discussion on Reddit. It is important to think about it deeper and why his story dominates this topic. Maybe it is because a sizable portion of Reddit simply doesn't care about female victims the way they care about male victims. This type of bias is only visible holistically and therefore is much harder to combat with open debate as you describe.
    - quadrangle 9y ago
      Well, FWIW, internet communication is still pretty damn new. No grown people are the kids of internet-natives even (i.e. no adults today were raised by parents and teachers who themselves grew up with the internet). So, in the long-run, we can see that this is pretty new still. I am myself aware of all sorts of ideal communication habits that address the common failings. Perhaps there's some slim hope that this wisdom will eventually reach far more people and become dominant to where we actually learn how to communicate better than we do today. I think of the cases where people met their trolls in real-life and had reconciliation of sorts, or that woman who grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church and got convinced to leave after someone on Twitter responded empathically and intelligently instead of antagonistically, leading to long-term exchange of perspectives… these stories are the exception today, but we have that at least…
barsonme 9y ago
There was plenty of sexist and racist garbage on reddit prior to the creation of T_D. It's probably more virulent now, but it's definitely not new. Good mods are the key to keeping bad content off good subreddits.
sandov 9y ago
I feel that leftist movements are leaking much more than T_D. Comments which — without being racist or sexist — go against the popular & politically correct leftist stance are downvoted to oblivion. Meanwhile, extremely statist stances are tolerated and celebrated by users.
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  Reddit's hive-mind is ultra-liberal.
  - optimuspaul 9y ago
    which makes sense. It seems to have been built on libertarian principles and rejects authoritarian principles. not sure how much more liberal you can get.
    - airstrike 9y ago
      You're mixing up liberal with libertarian.
      - uxp100 9y ago
        Libertarians are at least related to liberals, but it seems the words left, liberal, and libertarian are often confusing, and they're not very fine grained descriptions anyway.
        pathseeker 9y ago
        In the US they are related to conservatives as well. Libertarians share very little with liberals when it comes to views on what the government should regulate. The thing they have in common is social liberalism (allow gay marriage, individual drug use, etc).
        optimuspaul 9y ago
everdev 9y ago
Isn't this a symptom of a site growing to reflect the broader population? When communities are small, they typically cater to a niche audience, who invites their friends who are directly or tangentially related to that niche. Once the site grows beyond those 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree connections, you get exposed to those 4th, 5th and 6th degree connections that might have some values and opinions that are shocking to you because they don't run in your orbit. I feel bad that the author contributes his time to making a world a worse place. I see Reddit as giving more visibility to the world. It's true there's some crazy stuff from some loud people, but my guess is if it was quantified it would still be a small percentage of actual content on Reddit. But just like in life, a rare shocking event dominates our consciousness much more than persistent normal events.
- coatmatter 9y ago
  Eternal September: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I think Hacker News referenced it somewhere too but I can't find it now (maybe it's in the signup process).
nabc45 9y ago
There's a certain sub I like that is full of sexist and racist stuff and nobody there likes Trump at all. What I mean to say with this is, when you see stuff you don't like on Reddit, that does not mean it's coming from T_D, or that getting rid of T_D would get rid of stuff you don't like.
- abnry 9y ago
  Yes, and even places that are anti-racism, anti-sexism, and hate trump are often filled with emotionalism and thoughtless group think shouting. Comments decrying anything bad in a caustic way are near useless.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    Comments decrying anything bad in a caustic way are near useless. Yes. The kind of mentality which is drawn to social condemnation has been a mental substrate to all kinds of bad stuff throughout history. No matter how positive the cause for which it's done, it often becomes toxic and authoritarian. Witness various religions throughout history, as well as the high ideals of the early international communists.
    - stale2002 9y ago
      Outrage culture is the word your looking for. Its one of the most toxic things on the internet.
- bfuller 9y ago
  >There's a certain sub I like why even post this comment if you're not going to name the sub?
  - nabc45 9y ago
    Those subs only last long if they manage to stay under the radar. I am afraid someone in here might know someone who works for Reddit and... you know the rest ;P
- 9y ago
wvenable 9y ago
It seems like a right-wing contingent has taken over the moderation of a lot of smaller subreddits, specifically city/country subreddits, and both the content posted and the commentary reflects that. It's a dangerous trend for both society and reddit itself.
- knowaveragejoe 9y ago
  Not sure why this is downvoted, this is well documented.
  - ionforce 9y ago
    Where is this documented?
  - aldoushuxley001 9y ago
    Seems incredibly biased to say that right-wing moderators are dangerous to society. Just because someone has a more conservative outlook, doesn't mean they are a menace. A little bit shocking that needs to be pointed out.
    - stordoff 9y ago
      I didn't read OP as saying that right-wing moderators are per se are "dangerous to society", but that it being just one viewpoint represented (especially if, as "a right-wing contingent" implies", it's a single group of people) could be,].
    - wvenable 9y ago
      If you're a left-wing moderator or a right-wing moderator, there is no way I should know that unless you tell me. Any moderator that is actively and purposely applying their political philosophy to a forum that reaches thousands of people is dangerous to society.
- UncleEntity 9y ago
  > It's a dangerous trend for both society and reddit itself. Wouldn't squashing the voices of the "right-wing contingent" just lead to an (already implied) echo chamber of leftist thought? Your one single comment sums up the problem I have with user-moderation systems like reddit (and HN).
irrational 9y ago
the_donald or the like has never leaked into the many subreddits I frequent.
- rsynnott 9y ago
  If you stick to very niche subreddits, you'll mostly escape it, but the reach seems to basically be increasing on a month by month basis at this stage.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    To be fair, half the time I make even the slightest conservative arguments on Reddit I get told to bugger off to TD, a subreddit I've literally never visited.
1337biz 9y ago
The internet is not your save space. Neither is reddit. If everbody were thinking your way, those posts would be downvoted into obliviation. I am sorry that you have to face the fact thst many people don't share your personal value judgement of what is considered to be racist/sexist.
- mustacheemperor 9y ago
  I think this is an oversimplified view, especially when it is nearly a known fact reddit's votes are manipulated by automated imposters/"troll farms"/etc. The internet is not my safe space, but I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The people holding those opinions can go elsewhere, for example to The_Donald, where any dissent is quickly deleted by moderators. Even beyond the manipulation question, moderation exists to refine a community beyond mob rule.
  - FeepingCreature 9y ago
    I think it's very dangerous to conceive of social subreddits as any sort of "safe space" due to competing access needs.
  - stcredzero 9y ago
    I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The problem with even mild forms of censorship, is that bad actors can combine it with emotional manipulation and media manipulation to push their own agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA Right now, bad actors on the far left are using outrage as a tool to push their own authoritarian agendas. In this, they are aided and abetted by the far right. Both extremes thrive on outrage, especially the outrage that comes from intellectually dishonest censorship. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE
- komali2 9y ago
  By that same logic, reddit is allowed to outright ban all right-positive content, correct? It's not the right's safe space, after all.
Consultant32452 9y ago
You're talking about a world where Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, The Jersey Shore, and gameshows where you pick your spouse from a group of strangers are hit television shows. I think you may have tastes which are outside of the mainstream.
notMick 9y ago
What does that mean though? People who post in one sub aren't allowed to be in any other sub? People in TD can write in others subs too, as can people from late stage capitalism. Wanting to forcibly segregate and silence people with different opinions is I think at the heart of the problem with silicon valley right now. 'remove those who disagree with me' has killed hundreds of millions over the years, and is a common and dangerous kind of groupthink.
- acdha 9y ago
  It’s not about forcible removal but following the rules. People who came for a toxic subreddit tend to use the same style, memes, etc. everywhere and often go back to their home base to encourage fellow believers to back them up. Over time that spoils communities because reasonable people aren’t as driven to post as frequently as the ideologues.
- Recoveringhobo 9y ago
  We have this debate over and over again in r/berkeley, a community which I used to be an active part of. Essentially, every time Berkeley makes national news the sub gets brigaded by TD. Some of those trolls stick around and then post tired tirades anytime there is something remotely political on the sub. And some of them even try to pose as Berkeley students. Almost everyone on the sub is tired of the constant brigading and would like more active moderation of the trolls. The main moderator refuses to do anything and has similar views to your own, thinking that we should welcome them with open arms. This has the effect where Berkeley students and residents can't even talk about things affecting their community as they get drowned out by the mass of right-wing trolls. And this usually comes at times when its most crucial for there to be an avenue for Berkeley students/residents to have a platform to speak with each other (e.g. protests, riots, local political issues).
  - Zak 9y ago
    I had similar issues running /r/ronpaul where there was a sustained, concerted effort by opponents to disrupt the conversation. One of said opponents went on to found /r/the_donald. It's fairly hard to ban people on a site where account creation is as easy as it is on reddit. Moderator tools have improved a little since, but remain inadequate for dealing with sustained brigading.
str33t_punk 9y ago
As a moderate on reddit I see leaking from both sides, but leaking from r/the_donald is much more contained. It is particularly annoying when a hobby subreddit gets swarmed by the fanatical social justice crowd and kills all conversatamd community that existed previously. The leaked content from r/the_donald are downvoted to oblivion. The leaked contentent from r/shitredditsays has much more power. However, if you are simply seeing conservatives from r/news posting, and assuming they are crazies from r/the_donald, then you are assuming bad intent and may need to re evaluate how many conservatives live on the internet. Regardless of your political affiliation, you will see opinions you disagree with and that’s a good thing for the most part.

slg 9y ago

This is the problem that so many people miss when they extol the virtues of a customized Reddit. If you make a site that is attractive to racists, bigots, sexists, and homophobes, those people are going to be using the whole site and not just their tiny vile corners. This phenomenon might be easier to understand with a specific example like the recent Ghostbusters remake. It was by most accounts a bad movie. If you browse any movie related subreddit you will see plenty of valid criticism of that movie. Mixed in with that are comments about how that movie never should have been made with an all female cast and that is what caused the movie to be unsuccessful because women aren't funny. It is easy for some naive kid to see that and think "yeah, I saw that movie and it wasn't funny, maybe that comment has a point". Meanwhile it might never occur to them the user who originally left that comment came to Reddit to be a member of an incel community that is notoriously sexist and anti-women. This allows these communities to grow their size by spreading hate and feeding off the rest of the site.

FeepingCreature 9y ago
That's a lot of bad words to express "people I don't like have a social life."
quadrangle 9y ago
I kinda think if the balance can be maintained instead of reaching a tipping point that the interactions between those bigots etc. and the rest of us may actually ward off their bigotry. A bigot having a conversation with a non-bigot in a context that doesn't start off adversarial is probably the best context we can get for people to slowly drop their bigotry. Sure, it can go the other way too, and that's scary. I was pretty much in the sunlight-best-disinfectant camp until I heard https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/08/25/546127444/episode-790-rough-translations-in-ukraine https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/08/25/546127444/epis... Now, I dunno. Clearly we can't expect independent well-meaning anti-racists to be as effective as extremely carefully crafted propaganda appealing to baser tribalist instincts. It's already uphill battle to get people to be open-minded. Those who argue for reinforcing people's existing biases have it easier. But if there's any chance of getting the bigots to change their views, it seems it will be in respectful conversation with others, which Reddit at least is capable of, though I guess it doesn't seem the trend, unfortunately…
- slg 9y ago
  I agree with your premise, but I don't think that is something that realistically happens very often on the internet, especially on social media. The discourse dissolves too quickly once a comment has been called out for being hateful. Another part of the issue is that not all hateful content has a big blinking sign on it saying "I am being hateful". It is often a lot subtler than that. One big example is how the Reddit community has handled the Me Too movement. If the big subreddits are your only source of news you might think that Terry Crews is the primary victim of Hollywood's sexual misconduct. There is nothing wrong with telling Crew's story. He is clearly a victim and he deserves for his voice to be heard. A single post or comment about Crews is not sexist, however he has been the primary focus of this discussion on Reddit. It is important to think about it deeper and why his story dominates this topic. Maybe it is because a sizable portion of Reddit simply doesn't care about female victims the way they care about male victims. This type of bias is only visible holistically and therefore is much harder to combat with open debate as you describe.
  - quadrangle 9y ago
    Well, FWIW, internet communication is still pretty damn new. No grown people are the kids of internet-natives even (i.e. no adults today were raised by parents and teachers who themselves grew up with the internet). So, in the long-run, we can see that this is pretty new still. I am myself aware of all sorts of ideal communication habits that address the common failings. Perhaps there's some slim hope that this wisdom will eventually reach far more people and become dominant to where we actually learn how to communicate better than we do today. I think of the cases where people met their trolls in real-life and had reconciliation of sorts, or that woman who grew up in the Westboro Baptist Church and got convinced to leave after someone on Twitter responded empathically and intelligently instead of antagonistically, leading to long-term exchange of perspectives… these stories are the exception today, but we have that at least…

barsonme 9y ago

There was plenty of sexist and racist garbage on reddit prior to the creation of T_D. It's probably more virulent now, but it's definitely not new. Good mods are the key to keeping bad content off good subreddits.

sandov 9y ago

I feel that leftist movements are leaking much more than T_D. Comments which — without being racist or sexist — go against the popular & politically correct leftist stance are downvoted to oblivion. Meanwhile, extremely statist stances are tolerated and celebrated by users.

eanzenberg 9y ago
Reddit's hive-mind is ultra-liberal.
- optimuspaul 9y ago
  which makes sense. It seems to have been built on libertarian principles and rejects authoritarian principles. not sure how much more liberal you can get.
  - airstrike 9y ago
    You're mixing up liberal with libertarian.
    - uxp100 9y ago
      Libertarians are at least related to liberals, but it seems the words left, liberal, and libertarian are often confusing, and they're not very fine grained descriptions anyway.
      - pathseeker 9y ago
        In the US they are related to conservatives as well. Libertarians share very little with liberals when it comes to views on what the government should regulate. The thing they have in common is social liberalism (allow gay marriage, individual drug use, etc).
        optimuspaul 9y ago

everdev 9y ago

Isn't this a symptom of a site growing to reflect the broader population? When communities are small, they typically cater to a niche audience, who invites their friends who are directly or tangentially related to that niche. Once the site grows beyond those 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree connections, you get exposed to those 4th, 5th and 6th degree connections that might have some values and opinions that are shocking to you because they don't run in your orbit. I feel bad that the author contributes his time to making a world a worse place. I see Reddit as giving more visibility to the world. It's true there's some crazy stuff from some loud people, but my guess is if it was quantified it would still be a small percentage of actual content on Reddit. But just like in life, a rare shocking event dominates our consciousness much more than persistent normal events.

coatmatter 9y ago
Eternal September: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September I think Hacker News referenced it somewhere too but I can't find it now (maybe it's in the signup process).

nabc45 9y ago

There's a certain sub I like that is full of sexist and racist stuff and nobody there likes Trump at all. What I mean to say with this is, when you see stuff you don't like on Reddit, that does not mean it's coming from T_D, or that getting rid of T_D would get rid of stuff you don't like.

abnry 9y ago
Yes, and even places that are anti-racism, anti-sexism, and hate trump are often filled with emotionalism and thoughtless group think shouting. Comments decrying anything bad in a caustic way are near useless.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  Comments decrying anything bad in a caustic way are near useless. Yes. The kind of mentality which is drawn to social condemnation has been a mental substrate to all kinds of bad stuff throughout history. No matter how positive the cause for which it's done, it often becomes toxic and authoritarian. Witness various religions throughout history, as well as the high ideals of the early international communists.
  - stale2002 9y ago
    Outrage culture is the word your looking for. Its one of the most toxic things on the internet.
bfuller 9y ago
>There's a certain sub I like why even post this comment if you're not going to name the sub?
- nabc45 9y ago
  Those subs only last long if they manage to stay under the radar. I am afraid someone in here might know someone who works for Reddit and... you know the rest ;P
9y ago

wvenable 9y ago

It seems like a right-wing contingent has taken over the moderation of a lot of smaller subreddits, specifically city/country subreddits, and both the content posted and the commentary reflects that. It's a dangerous trend for both society and reddit itself.

knowaveragejoe 9y ago
Not sure why this is downvoted, this is well documented.
- ionforce 9y ago
  Where is this documented?
- aldoushuxley001 9y ago
  Seems incredibly biased to say that right-wing moderators are dangerous to society. Just because someone has a more conservative outlook, doesn't mean they are a menace. A little bit shocking that needs to be pointed out.
  - stordoff 9y ago
    I didn't read OP as saying that right-wing moderators are per se are "dangerous to society", but that it being just one viewpoint represented (especially if, as "a right-wing contingent" implies", it's a single group of people) could be,].
  - wvenable 9y ago
    If you're a left-wing moderator or a right-wing moderator, there is no way I should know that unless you tell me. Any moderator that is actively and purposely applying their political philosophy to a forum that reaches thousands of people is dangerous to society.
UncleEntity 9y ago
> It's a dangerous trend for both society and reddit itself. Wouldn't squashing the voices of the "right-wing contingent" just lead to an (already implied) echo chamber of leftist thought? Your one single comment sums up the problem I have with user-moderation systems like reddit (and HN).

irrational 9y ago

the_donald or the like has never leaked into the many subreddits I frequent.

rsynnott 9y ago
If you stick to very niche subreddits, you'll mostly escape it, but the reach seems to basically be increasing on a month by month basis at this stage.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  To be fair, half the time I make even the slightest conservative arguments on Reddit I get told to bugger off to TD, a subreddit I've literally never visited.

1337biz 9y ago

The internet is not your save space. Neither is reddit. If everbody were thinking your way, those posts would be downvoted into obliviation. I am sorry that you have to face the fact thst many people don't share your personal value judgement of what is considered to be racist/sexist.

mustacheemperor 9y ago
I think this is an oversimplified view, especially when it is nearly a known fact reddit's votes are manipulated by automated imposters/"troll farms"/etc. The internet is not my safe space, but I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The people holding those opinions can go elsewhere, for example to The_Donald, where any dissent is quickly deleted by moderators. Even beyond the manipulation question, moderation exists to refine a community beyond mob rule.
- FeepingCreature 9y ago
  I think it's very dangerous to conceive of social subreddits as any sort of "safe space" due to competing access needs.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  I think it's very reasonable for the subreddit about Canada to be moderated as a "safe space" free of racist ramblings. The problem with even mild forms of censorship, is that bad actors can combine it with emotional manipulation and media manipulation to push their own agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LofV6cJzILA Right now, bad actors on the far left are using outrage as a tool to push their own authoritarian agendas. In this, they are aided and abetted by the far right. Both extremes thrive on outrage, especially the outrage that comes from intellectually dishonest censorship. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiRnbNT5uE
komali2 9y ago
By that same logic, reddit is allowed to outright ban all right-positive content, correct? It's not the right's safe space, after all.

Consultant32452 9y ago

You're talking about a world where Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, The Jersey Shore, and gameshows where you pick your spouse from a group of strangers are hit television shows. I think you may have tastes which are outside of the mainstream.

notMick 9y ago

What does that mean though? People who post in one sub aren't allowed to be in any other sub? People in TD can write in others subs too, as can people from late stage capitalism. Wanting to forcibly segregate and silence people with different opinions is I think at the heart of the problem with silicon valley right now. 'remove those who disagree with me' has killed hundreds of millions over the years, and is a common and dangerous kind of groupthink.

acdha 9y ago
It’s not about forcible removal but following the rules. People who came for a toxic subreddit tend to use the same style, memes, etc. everywhere and often go back to their home base to encourage fellow believers to back them up. Over time that spoils communities because reasonable people aren’t as driven to post as frequently as the ideologues.
Recoveringhobo 9y ago
We have this debate over and over again in r/berkeley, a community which I used to be an active part of. Essentially, every time Berkeley makes national news the sub gets brigaded by TD. Some of those trolls stick around and then post tired tirades anytime there is something remotely political on the sub. And some of them even try to pose as Berkeley students. Almost everyone on the sub is tired of the constant brigading and would like more active moderation of the trolls. The main moderator refuses to do anything and has similar views to your own, thinking that we should welcome them with open arms. This has the effect where Berkeley students and residents can't even talk about things affecting their community as they get drowned out by the mass of right-wing trolls. And this usually comes at times when its most crucial for there to be an avenue for Berkeley students/residents to have a platform to speak with each other (e.g. protests, riots, local political issues).
- Zak 9y ago
  I had similar issues running /r/ronpaul where there was a sustained, concerted effort by opponents to disrupt the conversation. One of said opponents went on to found /r/the_donald. It's fairly hard to ban people on a site where account creation is as easy as it is on reddit. Moderator tools have improved a little since, but remain inadequate for dealing with sustained brigading.

str33t_punk 9y ago

As a moderate on reddit I see leaking from both sides, but leaking from r/the_donald is much more contained. It is particularly annoying when a hobby subreddit gets swarmed by the fanatical social justice crowd and kills all conversatamd community that existed previously. The leaked content from r/the_donald are downvoted to oblivion. The leaked contentent from r/shitredditsays has much more power. However, if you are simply seeing conservatives from r/news posting, and assuming they are crazies from r/the_donald, then you are assuming bad intent and may need to re evaluate how many conservatives live on the internet. Regardless of your political affiliation, you will see opinions you disagree with and that’s a good thing for the most part.