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I guess the technocracy promotes free speech when it suits them & shuts it down when they fear it.

by amorphid 8y ago

lerie82 8y ago
Free speech doesn't have anything to do with prostitution lil buddy.
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toomuchtodo 8y ago
It’s not an enjoyable experience to be pursued by a nation state with limitless resources.
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xoa 8y ago
FFS. Please, please actually think about what you're saying and about the implications it carries if you game theory it out a bit, that's absolutely critical when dealing with proposed solutions for wider issues of society. "The technocracy" is not in fact responsible for creating law, at least not yet. They are subjects to the law, and while of course they have an input both in the way any other group does and extra in the way more resources and education can enhance that, they're not even a dominant player amongst political powers. They cannot overrule law, nor should they be expected to, and really is that what you, amorphid, would actually want to see? Responsibility is tied to power, if you want them to be responsible then you're necessarily suggesting they have the power too. And that takes us straight to a world where corporations really are governing powers also, as in they can legitimately wield physical force against opponents. If this is due to FOSTA/SESTA, then regardless of Cloudflare's personal views they need to follow it. The fault lies somewhat in Congress but ultimately in the American People for repeatedly failing to appropriately carry out our duties in maintaining our democracy. If you argue that the people simply aren't up for that at all, then you're arguing democracy should be dumped or at least toned down in a further hybridization, and that gets into very, very deep waters. There is no contradiction whatsoever between Cloudflare and other tech companies promoting/lobbying heavily for Free Speech protections, which again are protections against government action, while still acceding to the supremacy of government if it passes laws to the contrary and those laws are still in force (during a legal challenge with no injunction for example, or following a failed legal challenge). There's nothing wrong in parallel with all this either in all of us working to try to eliminate centralized pressure points and decentralized malicious actor capabilities so on as well, far from it. But that doesn't mean you are justified in your accusations against some specific actor under the control of a jurisdiction that acts contrary to our preferences.
- srslack 8y ago
  >"The technocracy" is not in fact responsible for creating law, at least not yet. They lobbied specifically for this compromise, because they don't give a shit. These companies are begging for Congress to come in and give them some sweet regulatory capture: you didn't see Zuckerberg overly concerned, for example, he practically asked for regulation. They have the resources to not sweat much of the overly broad chilling effect, especially the ex post facto aspect of this legislation. Small companies and startups that have the potential to topple these players don't have such leisure. Personally, beyond Rob Portman and the GOP, I blame the people who are getting hysterical over fake news and "nazis", who claim that Facebook et al are "destroying democracy". They have set the tone and made it much easier for this to happen, and they don't give a shit either because there's a fundamental disconnect due to their partisan bickering. No one wants to put their money where their mouth is and challenge these terrible statutes, despite the fact that Justice did not need them to take down Backpage. The entire legislative package, and the justification behind it (child trafficking), is a sham. The real purpose was to force companies to do exactly what Cloudflare has done today.

I guess the technocracy promotes free speech when it suits them & shuts it down when they fear it.

lerie82 8y ago

Free speech doesn't have anything to do with prostitution lil buddy.

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toomuchtodo 8y ago

It’s not an enjoyable experience to be pursued by a nation state with limitless resources.

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xoa 8y ago

FFS. Please, please actually think about what you're saying and about the implications it carries if you game theory it out a bit, that's absolutely critical when dealing with proposed solutions for wider issues of society. "The technocracy" is not in fact responsible for creating law, at least not yet. They are subjects to the law, and while of course they have an input both in the way any other group does and extra in the way more resources and education can enhance that, they're not even a dominant player amongst political powers. They cannot overrule law, nor should they be expected to, and really is that what you, amorphid, would actually want to see? Responsibility is tied to power, if you want them to be responsible then you're necessarily suggesting they have the power too. And that takes us straight to a world where corporations really are governing powers also, as in they can legitimately wield physical force against opponents. If this is due to FOSTA/SESTA, then regardless of Cloudflare's personal views they need to follow it. The fault lies somewhat in Congress but ultimately in the American People for repeatedly failing to appropriately carry out our duties in maintaining our democracy. If you argue that the people simply aren't up for that at all, then you're arguing democracy should be dumped or at least toned down in a further hybridization, and that gets into very, very deep waters. There is no contradiction whatsoever between Cloudflare and other tech companies promoting/lobbying heavily for Free Speech protections, which again are protections against government action, while still acceding to the supremacy of government if it passes laws to the contrary and those laws are still in force (during a legal challenge with no injunction for example, or following a failed legal challenge). There's nothing wrong in parallel with all this either in all of us working to try to eliminate centralized pressure points and decentralized malicious actor capabilities so on as well, far from it. But that doesn't mean you are justified in your accusations against some specific actor under the control of a jurisdiction that acts contrary to our preferences.

srslack 8y ago
>"The technocracy" is not in fact responsible for creating law, at least not yet. They lobbied specifically for this compromise, because they don't give a shit. These companies are begging for Congress to come in and give them some sweet regulatory capture: you didn't see Zuckerberg overly concerned, for example, he practically asked for regulation. They have the resources to not sweat much of the overly broad chilling effect, especially the ex post facto aspect of this legislation. Small companies and startups that have the potential to topple these players don't have such leisure. Personally, beyond Rob Portman and the GOP, I blame the people who are getting hysterical over fake news and "nazis", who claim that Facebook et al are "destroying democracy". They have set the tone and made it much easier for this to happen, and they don't give a shit either because there's a fundamental disconnect due to their partisan bickering. No one wants to put their money where their mouth is and challenge these terrible statutes, despite the fact that Justice did not need them to take down Backpage. The entire legislative package, and the justification behind it (child trafficking), is a sham. The real purpose was to force companies to do exactly what Cloudflare has done today.