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> Where is that home? In the US, would it be in SF, CA or Alamo, GA? A dense, tall building in SF could hold homes for a lot of residents at once. >I don't ha

> Where is that home? In the US, would it be in SF, CA or Alamo, GA? A dense, tall building in SF could hold homes for a lot of residents at once. >I don't have a license, does that mean I only get a bicycle instead of a car? It means you get a car when you learn to drive, or else just take a bus. > What about gas? Electric vehicle > What's "free utilities" - how much can I consume? A set amount per month based on reasonable usage estimates. > Can I trade the clothes for something else if I don't need as many? You can do whatever you want with your stuff. > If so, who decides for what and how much I can trade them for? Between you and the person you trade with.

icebraining 9y ago
A dense, tall building in SF could hold homes for a lot of residents at once. That's not the point. An apartment in a dense, tall building in SF will still cost more than an apartment in a dense, tall building almost anywhere else. Who gets to live in SF if too many people want to? It means you get a car when you learn to drive, or else just take a bus. So your UBI discriminates against people who can't drive, who are oftentimes the people most in need. Also, it promotes massive waste, since I'll ask for a car even if I don't need one - why not, if I don't gain anything by giving it up? A set amount per month based on reasonable usage estimates. Right, but "reasonable" will depend on geography (for heat/cooling), needs, etc, no? How many jobs will be required to calculate that for the 3000+ counties in the US? You can do whatever you want with your stuff. Between you and the person you trade with. So you're producing and distributing a bunch of clothes, cars, etc, which will then be sold to companies (for low prices, obviously, since everyone has them) which will export them to other countries. Nice corporate subsidy. The WTO might have something to say about your unfair competition practices.
- matte_black 9y ago
  > That's not the point. An apartment in a dense, tall building in SF will still cost more than an apartment in a dense, tall building almost anywhere else. Who gets to live in SF if too many people want to? A random lottery for high demand low supply places. > So your UBI discriminates against people who can't drive, who are oftentimes the people most in need. Also, it promotes massive waste, since I'll ask for a car even if I don't need one - why not, if I don't gain anything by giving it up? Nothing wrong with public transportation, people use it all the time and much easier than parking anyway. When you’re giving stuff away you always have to accept people wasting it. Just factor it in and move on. > Right, but "reasonable" will depend on geography (for heat/cooling), needs, etc, no? How many jobs will be required to calculate that for the 3000+ counties in the US? Of course. This will need very few jobs, it’s just basic data analysis based on historical usage. Very automated. > So you're producing and distributing a bunch of clothes, cars, etc, which will then be sold to companies (for low prices, obviously, since everyone has them) which will export them to other countries. Nice corporate subsidy. The WTO might have something to say about your unfair competition practices. Considering it’s the only basic car people can get I doubt they will just sell it off so easily. Government can always buy it back too, cheaper than making a new one. Plus regulation can easily block export of basic cars. Clothes don’t matter, people get a basic wardrobe with a few good durable pieces, not an endless closet.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    A random lottery for high demand low supply places. So a bunch of people with no ties to SF will get a place for free that they'll sublet (and then live somewhere else). How does this not distort the market? When you’re giving stuff away you always have to accept people wasting it. So much for saving money with those economics of scale. Considering it’s the only basic car people can get I doubt they will just sell it off so easily. There's always a buyer if it's cheap enough. The State buys for $10000, the person sells for $500, then the distributor sells it Latin America or Africa for $2000. Plus regulation can easily block export of basic cars. Legal export, sure. Illegal, not really. And especially if the owner is complicit.

icebraining 9y ago

A dense, tall building in SF could hold homes for a lot of residents at once. That's not the point. An apartment in a dense, tall building in SF will still cost more than an apartment in a dense, tall building almost anywhere else. Who gets to live in SF if too many people want to? It means you get a car when you learn to drive, or else just take a bus. So your UBI discriminates against people who can't drive, who are oftentimes the people most in need. Also, it promotes massive waste, since I'll ask for a car even if I don't need one - why not, if I don't gain anything by giving it up? A set amount per month based on reasonable usage estimates. Right, but "reasonable" will depend on geography (for heat/cooling), needs, etc, no? How many jobs will be required to calculate that for the 3000+ counties in the US? You can do whatever you want with your stuff. Between you and the person you trade with. So you're producing and distributing a bunch of clothes, cars, etc, which will then be sold to companies (for low prices, obviously, since everyone has them) which will export them to other countries. Nice corporate subsidy. The WTO might have something to say about your unfair competition practices.

matte_black 9y ago
> That's not the point. An apartment in a dense, tall building in SF will still cost more than an apartment in a dense, tall building almost anywhere else. Who gets to live in SF if too many people want to? A random lottery for high demand low supply places. > So your UBI discriminates against people who can't drive, who are oftentimes the people most in need. Also, it promotes massive waste, since I'll ask for a car even if I don't need one - why not, if I don't gain anything by giving it up? Nothing wrong with public transportation, people use it all the time and much easier than parking anyway. When you’re giving stuff away you always have to accept people wasting it. Just factor it in and move on. > Right, but "reasonable" will depend on geography (for heat/cooling), needs, etc, no? How many jobs will be required to calculate that for the 3000+ counties in the US? Of course. This will need very few jobs, it’s just basic data analysis based on historical usage. Very automated. > So you're producing and distributing a bunch of clothes, cars, etc, which will then be sold to companies (for low prices, obviously, since everyone has them) which will export them to other countries. Nice corporate subsidy. The WTO might have something to say about your unfair competition practices. Considering it’s the only basic car people can get I doubt they will just sell it off so easily. Government can always buy it back too, cheaper than making a new one. Plus regulation can easily block export of basic cars. Clothes don’t matter, people get a basic wardrobe with a few good durable pieces, not an endless closet.
- icebraining 9y ago
  A random lottery for high demand low supply places. So a bunch of people with no ties to SF will get a place for free that they'll sublet (and then live somewhere else). How does this not distort the market? When you’re giving stuff away you always have to accept people wasting it. So much for saving money with those economics of scale. Considering it’s the only basic car people can get I doubt they will just sell it off so easily. There's always a buyer if it's cheap enough. The State buys for $10000, the person sells for $500, then the distributor sells it Latin America or Africa for $2000. Plus regulation can easily block export of basic cars. Legal export, sure. Illegal, not really. And especially if the owner is complicit.