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Recall when the Mossad assassinated someone in a Dubai hotel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9KDysPbZ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9KDysPbZ0 https://e
by sillysaurus3 8y ago
Recall when the Mossad assassinated someone in a Dubai hotel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9KDysPbZ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d9KDysPbZ0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Ma...
The only reason I point this out is because many (most?) techies have a natural aversion to helping out this sort of thing.
It's totally fine if you don't. But it's easy to forget the end result.
- ronreiter 8y agoHe is a murderer and a terrorist. If you murder people because they are Israeli and you think you can get away with it, think again.
- sillysaurus3 8y agoI didn't say it was an unjust assassination. Only that this is the business they're in.
- Waterluvian 8y agoThis is the attitude that makes it hard for me to take Israel seriously. Like they have an inherent right to go after whoever wherever. It feels like a CIA / KGB learned trait. I think I'm most frustrated by the notion of other nations going to work in my country. You do you. But not in my yard, eh.
- briandear 8y agoIronically, that’s what makes it hard for me to take Hamas seriously — they feel like they can blow up a bus and yet if Israel responds, the “international” community has a conniption fit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Road_bus_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Road_bus_bombings
- Waterluvian 8y agoI'm just one opinion but mine is that neither behaviour is better than the other.
- placebo 8y agoI'm curious, how do you interpret the above as the "right to go after whoever wherever?"
- Waterluvian 8y agoThe parent comment disappeared so I cannot answer you without recalling from memory what was said. That's unfair because I don't have confidence in my memory.
- fwdpropaganda 8y agoI'm not saying you don't have a point, morally speaking. But legally speaking do you agree that's probably not legal? And if so, then would you say it's OK to bypass the law with it's convenient for you?
- briandear 8y agoThey killed the cofounder of the military wing of Hamas. Hardly an innocent. Making a statement like “assasinated a person in a hotel” makes it sound like they killed some tourist rather than a man responsible for countless violence. If they assasinated Osama Bin Laden, would that be ok? As a “techie,” I would be proud to have helped take out someone like Bin Laden but I would of course, not be happy if that tech were used to intentionally kill innocent people. Ironically, the man killed had no problem himself directing the deaths of innocent civilians. It’s the difference between killing a wolf attacking kids on a playground versus shooting a family dog in someone’s living room. The two situations aren’t morally equivalent at all. The end result of the Hamas assassination was that a violent and dangerous person who led the killing of countless civilians is dead. So yes, let’s not forget the end result — a wolf was shot before he could attack again. I am not going to comment on intelligence services in general, but the example you provide is ironically, a counter argument for the point you seem to be attempting. You seem to be suggesting that techies generally would want to work to preserve life rather than take it and, with the Dubai operation, that’s exactly what happened: lives were saved by taking down a dangerous man with a history of leading the killing of innocent people.
- burbuk 8y agoLeibowitz was correct, wolves don't shoot wolves, they use them as fig leaves. Fuck them, and fuck you.